Transcript - Interview: Donald Trump on The Howard Stern Interview on E! - May 8, 1993

Donald Trump

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I like Howard, but I have to be crazy to be here. [Commercial Break]

Howard Stern

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Look at this, Look who I'm here with. Look at that. Multi-billionaire, Donald Trump. Good to see you, Donald. [Inaudible]

Donald Trump

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Hey, Howard. How you doing?

Howard Stern

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Huh. You thought I was riff-raff here on the E channel. You have watched the show?

Donald Trump

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I watch it. It's a little tough to get it in New York but we're going to change that.

Howard Stern

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We're going to change that. Donald's going to change that. A lot of people saying, Hey, Howard how did you get Donald Trump on the show? A lot of people will ask that because Donald is a man of fierce loyalty but he's also fierce with his enemies. If someone is your enemy you don't associate with them.

Donald Trump

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Well, I don't -- I don't really like people that are enemies and I like to destroy them. It's that you -- you understand as you did.

Howard Stern

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Yes. I have that same moo-doo-whama-jamma that everybody loves. I have that same killer instinct. Of course, I'm not a billionaire, that's the problem. I have the killer instinct but I'm not a billionaire. Donald Trump, I'll tell you how I became your friend. I saw Donald Trump as a victim, a victim during the Ivana divorce case, I saw you as a victim. And people said, Well, wait a second, Donald Trump isn't good to women, Donald Trump dates a lot of different women, Donald Trump was cheating on his wife, Donald Trump was doing this. I saw you as the victim in this case.

Donald Trump

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I like it.

Howard Stern

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You know why I so you as a victim?

Donald Trump

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Why should I say anything? This is beautiful.

Howard Stern

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Should I tell you why I so you as the victim? Because people at home don't know what to think of Donald Trump. There are people who hate you, Right?

Donald Trump

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There are some people that dislike me intensely.

Howard Stern

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Are they jealous?

Donald Trump

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I hate to say they're jealous but perhaps they are.

Howard Stern

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Are they jealous because they -- you are living the life that they want to be living.

Donald Trump

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That could be.

Howard Stern

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That could be it. Let me tell you something. What happened to Donald Trump and I'll do it briefly. He was married to this Ivana. All right, like a lot of guys you fell out of love. True?

Donald Trump

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True.

Howard Stern

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True? [Inaudible] What is this, a courtroom? [Inaudible] So, you fell out of love with Ivana. Okay. You did a very honorable thing. You paid her $25 million for a divorce settlement.

Donald Trump

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That's true.

Howard Stern

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That's a lot of money.

Donald Trump

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A lot of money.

Howard Stern

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The time you were in financial trouble.

Donald Trump

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The deepest trouble of my life. Absolutely.

Howard Stern

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Were you truly in financial trouble?

Donald Trump

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Deep, deep trouble.

Howard Stern

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You were -- They said that you were bankrupt, but within your corporation have been bankrupt. But you personally would not [Inaudible]

Donald Trump

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They thought I might be bankrupt. They didn't know. Nobody really understood. And perhaps I didn't even understand, but I was -- I was at a pretty low point in my life. This is about two years ago and since then a lot of great things have happened but at that point, that was the lowest financial point in life.

Howard Stern

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Could you have lost all of your personal money? I mean, could Donald Trump could --

Donald Trump

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I could have.

Howard Stern

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You could have been a working stiff. You know how embarrassing it would be to be like Donald Trump and going to work like a supermarket. He's the vice president of a supermarket. That would have been embarrassing. True?

Donald Trump

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It could happen.

Howard Stern

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Could happen. You were really nervous. And yet you were able to put together 25 million -- excuse me I spit on you, Donald.

Donald Trump

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That's okay.

Howard Stern

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Twenty-five million dollars. I put together 25 million. You put together $25 million to pay your wife. And you said to your wife, by the way, you would gotten her to sign a prenuptial agreement. True?

Donald Trump

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That's correct?

Howard Stern

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How the hell did you get her to sign a prenuptial agreement. A lot of guys out there want to know about this.

Donald Trump

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Twenty-five million it's easy.

Howard Stern

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But -- but -- but seriously, she knew that she could not have your empire. What's the move there? How do you say, Hey, Ivana honey, sign this little agreement. How do you do it?

Donald Trump

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At that time, she was challenging the agreement. She was suing me for two and a half billion dollars. And when the times really hit low, at the lowest at the worst day of my life. New York Times front page, Wall Street Journal front page, all of a sudden she called up and she said I'll take the $25 million.

Howard Stern

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Yeah. But how did you get her to sign the prenuptial? Was this before. You know, before you were married you said --

Donald Trump

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It really wasn't easy but it worked out. I mean, it worked.

Howard Stern

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So, you got her to sig. Why you were married to her?

Donald Trump

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Before I was married and then ultimately I had another one signed while we were married.

Howard Stern

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That is fantastic. That is unbelievable. If I was Ivana, I never would've signed. Never.

Donald Trump

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Yeah.

Howard Stern

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What I'm -- Hey, I'm no bim. [Inaudible] Let me tell you something. So, there you -- That is truly the art of the deal is it not.

Donald Trump

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I don't know if it's the art of the deal but I will tell you she did sign it and she should have lived up to it. And then after she got the money.

Howard Stern

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Exactly.

Donald Trump

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I think I know what you're gonna say.

Howard Stern

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You gave her $25 million. He gives her the money. Now listen to this. He gives her the money and she goes ahead and she writes a book. Now part of the deal was, if you took $25 million, I'm spitting all over you.

Donald Trump

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It's okay. I don't mind.

Howard Stern

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And I shouldn't spit all over you because you have germ phobia. True?

Donald Trump

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I do have germ phobia.

Howard Stern

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You wash your hands, how many times a day?

Donald Trump

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As many times as possible.

Howard Stern

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But you realize that's a psychological problem.

Donald Trump

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It could be a psychological problem.

Howard Stern

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But there's no way for you to get -- You cannot overpower this problem, you know that -- a

Donald Trump

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You know, so far I haven't left to wash my hands. [Inaudible]

Howard Stern

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I mean theoretically you know, because that's obsessive-compulsive, right? Have you ever gone to a psychiatrist to eliminate that problem?

Donald Trump

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No.

Howard Stern

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That's called hand --

Donald Trump

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I like it. I like cleanliness. Cleanliness is a nice thing. Not only hands, body, everything.

Howard Stern

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How was that compulsion take form? In other words, you are also -- all your women are AIDs tested? True?

Donald Trump

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Well, hopefully, they don't have AIDS.

Howard Stern

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How do you get the women to get the AIDS test, that's the best part of this interview. How do you say to a woman, Hey, you -- And you date beautiful women. You got Marla Maples, you've got all the various models, all models. True?

Donald Trump

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Not all models but beautiful women. I tend to like beautiful women more than unattractive women. I don't know, maybe that makes me bad.

Howard Stern

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Join the club. And with this face, it's no problem and getting beautiful women. When you got a mug like this, they all go for you. So in other words, you say to them, Hey, I'll sleep with you. I'm Trump. I'm worth billions. I can change your life. You go take an AIDS test. Do you have a special doctor that you trust and --

Donald Trump

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Well, that rumor started getting out there and somehow that story is going out and it isn't the idea.

Howard Stern

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I thought you started that rumor?

Donald Trump

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Well, no, no. I didn't start it. It was in an article, and you know how articles starts, and it just keeps getting repeated.

Howard Stern

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So, the girls don't have to take an AIDS test?

Donald Trump

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Not really. I'm just very careful, though.

Howard Stern

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Really?

Donald Trump

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I own 25% of Goodyear Tire and Rubber.

Howard Stern

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You wear a rubber? There you go, there's something interesting you don't hear every day on TV. So, in other words --

Donald Trump

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But I am very careful with the people. But you can't be too careful.

Howard Stern

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Why not? You got a great life.

Donald Trump

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Can I tell you what? AIDS is a disaster.

Howard Stern

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AIDS attack everyone.

Donald Trump

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Yes. It attacks everybody, and who knows.

Howard Stern

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And let's say you have a lot of girlfriends. True?

Donald Trump

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I -- I like a lot of people.

Howard Stern

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Well, who doesn't? So, anyway getting back to it, you get Ivana to sign this prenuptial agreement and what does she do? Donald says, I will give you the $25 million, but don't don't write about me, don't talk about me. Personally, I'd shut my mouth for 10 million.

Donald Trump

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The one big condition.

Howard Stern

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The one big condition.

Donald Trump

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The one big condition.

Howard Stern

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So, what does she do? There she goes, I want to write a book. I want to write a book. It's -- It's not it's not their true story. What I will do is I won't call the man in the book the Donald, I'll call him the Ronald. And the book was clearly about you, was it not?

Donald Trump

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It was, it was.

Howard Stern

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And you are entitled to that $25 million back.

Donald Trump

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If there was a judge with courage, and I heard you saying this once on your morning show in your radio show. If there were a judge with courage they would give me that $25 million back. Yes.

Howard Stern

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Now, which is better? The old Ivana or the new Ivana? . Isn't it the ultimate trip to have a wife or a woman change your whole physical appearance just to keep you, Donald Trump. That to me -- For what -- My wife, if she would even go on an exercise regimen for me I'd be happy. She walking around she doesn't care what she looks like. But really Ivana, I feel in order to hold on to you, really did a remarkable makeover. Is [Inaudible] correct?

Donald Trump

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Well, I don't want -- I don't want to talk about what she did or whatever but -- And she's a good woman and I'll always love her.

Howard Stern

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She's not a good woman, Donald. I'm going to tell you something. Any woman, if you give her $25 million -- You don't have to say she's a good woman. She's not a good woman. She's the mother of your children. That's true.

Donald Trump

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True.

Howard Stern

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But that's it. That's as far as it goes.

Donald Trump

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Yeah. But she's the mother of my children.

Howard Stern

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She's screwing you. She screwed you on this. I'm saying you don't have to say, you sit there quiet. I'm saying for $25 million, she should keep her mouth shut. True?

Donald Trump

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She should not have said anything.

Howard Stern

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Of course. A deal is a deal.

Donald Trump

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She should not have been commercial. She should not have done what she did. She did it and there's litigation on this whole point. It will be interesting to see what a judge rules.

Howard Stern

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Well, I certainly would rule in your favor.

Donald Trump

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And why can't you be a judge?

Howard Stern

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I'm not a judge, although I have the hair of a judge. An English judge. So, let's -- Do I to take a break? Okay. I'm going to take a break, Donald. When we come back I want to explore the various women you are dating. I have pictures.

Donald Trump

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Explore in what sense?

Howard Stern

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Because I -- I want to look at pictures of them. I have exercise videos of Marla Maples.

Donald Trump

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The originals?

Howard Stern

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I have great stuff. I've got all different pictures of the model. Then we'll evaluate the different models.

Donald Trump

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And we'll choose the best.

Howard Stern

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And we will choose the best one. Because you are living my fantasy life. You really are. With all that money, then we'll talk about your money. Then will look in your wallet and we'll see how much money you have in your wallet. I'm very curious. Donald Trump, back on the E channel. All right. Whatever it is, they call it E. Right after this. [Commercial Break] Hey, I'm sitting here with Donald Trump. This is E. I'm Howard Stern. What an interview program. [Inaudible]. We're talking about my favorite topic. Women. Why does a woman date you, Donald? Why does a woman date you?

Donald Trump

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I don't know, Howard. But I know that it's something that I work at. And it's something --

Howard Stern

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So, you think it's the money only?

Donald Trump

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I hope not. I will say this, I have a lot of wealthy friends, a lot of them, they can't get a date, they try like hell and they can't get a date.

Howard Stern

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Wealthy guys.

Donald Trump

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Wealthy guys.

Howard Stern

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And you once said that the best way to treat a woman is to treat her like duty.

Donald Trump

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No. I never said that but

Howard Stern

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You never did?

Donald Trump

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It was attributed to me. [Inaudible]

Howard Stern

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But I'll tell you some, I agree with that statement. They don't listen otherwise. I tell you women are troublemakers. I couldn't get women. [Inaudible] Ah, shut up. The dummies working here. [Inaudible] So, you never did say that?

Donald Trump

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No I never said that but it was attributed to me.

Howard Stern

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I see. So you treat women with respect.

Donald Trump

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I can't say that either. [Inaudible]

Howard Stern

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All right. Good. All right.

Donald Trump

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I do, I treat women with great respect.

Howard Stern

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Guys, treat women somewhere in between respect and do -- do. All right, very good. Now, let's get to the women, let's see pictures. That's what I'm into, okay? Number one, let's get to here's a woman that you are associated with. Her name is Frederique. She is a lingerie model. This is a girl -- this is a girl who is your girlfriend, Now --

Donald Trump

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Well she's a really good friend and she's a great woman and she's going to be very successful as time goes by in terms of other things. But right now she's one of the most successful models she works for Victoria's Secret.

Howard Stern

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I would do the heinie dance for her. How did you meet this beautiful woman?

Donald Trump

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You know, I don't even know. I just met her.

Howard Stern

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Did you go through the catalog and pick. So, I got to meet them, get them, got them?

Donald Trump

00:10:18 - 00:10:20 (2 sec)

No, but when I found out who she was I got the catalog and checked it out.

Howard Stern

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You did?

Donald Trump

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She's really beautiful.

Howard Stern

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And you called her on the phone and said I would like to meet with you?

Donald Trump

00:10:24 - 00:10:28 (4 sec)

Well, it just worked out that I got to meet her and she's really an outstanding woman.

Howard Stern

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How long between the time that you meet her and the time -- How long is the time period between your meeting her going to bed?

Donald Trump

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I know. I do know [Inaudible]

Howard Stern

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How many times does it take Donald Trump to close that deal?

Donald Trump

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Well, Frederique, I must tell you this Frederique's is just a friend. Different women different things. Yes, Frederick is just a friend.

Howard Stern

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You have not scored with her. You have not kissed her you've not got to second base third base him.

Donald Trump

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It's such a personal thing perhaps she wouldn't want to even talk about.

Howard Stern

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Would it ruin your chances with her if you do mention something like that?

Donald Trump

00:10:52 - 00:10:53 (1 sec)

Probably not.

Howard Stern

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Is it not true that you picked up Marla Maples at the airport this morning?

Donald Trump

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Woo.

Howard Stern

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Yes. I read about that.

Donald Trump

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You have that information.

Howard Stern

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So if she hears about that Will it ruin your scene or you will have to be a --

Donald Trump

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Probably not.

Howard Stern

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You will not?

Donald Trump

00:11:02 - 00:11:03 (1 sec)

No, it won't

Howard Stern

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Unbelievable.

Donald Trump

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You said that women like being treated badly.

Howard Stern

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Yes. So the more they think you're desirable, the more they will go for you.

Donald Trump

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There's something to that. It's sick isn't it?

Howard Stern

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Woman Number two a picture of Stephanie Seymour. Now, you claim you did not sleep with this one but, that's Stephanie Seymour?

Donald Trump

00:11:18 - 00:11:19 (1 sec)

That's Stephanie Seymour.

Howard Stern

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Look at her.

Donald Trump

00:11:20 - 00:11:22 (2 sec)

She's Axl Rose's girlfriend.

Howard Stern

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Is anything wrong with her?

Donald Trump

00:11:23 - 00:11:25 (2 sec)

Nothing whatsoever.

Howard Stern

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That's perfect, right?

Donald Trump

00:11:26 - 00:11:26 (1 sec)

It's awfully close.

Howard Stern

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That's awfully close. Oh, I wish I could see her body. I could only imagine what is there.

Donald Trump

00:11:31 - 00:11:31 (1 sec)

You can see her body.

Howard Stern

00:11:31 - 00:11:33 (1 sec)

I can. Where can I see her body?

Donald Trump

00:11:33 - 00:11:35 (2 sec)

How about Victoria's Secret also.

Howard Stern

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You have not had her? You had her?

Donald Trump

00:11:36 - 00:11:36 (0 sec)

No.

Howard Stern

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Did she not. She was your girlfriend for awhile?

Donald Trump

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I didn't have her.

Howard Stern

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You were rumored to have have her.

Donald Trump

00:11:39 - 00:11:40 (1 sec)

I didn't have her either.

Howard Stern

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Are you being serious?

Donald Trump

00:11:40 - 00:11:42 (2 sec)

No, I'm being serious. I really -- Everyone [Inaudible]

Howard Stern

00:11:42 - 00:11:46 (4 sec)

Well, what the hell I got you here for? You didn't have anybody. This one is a friend that one --

Donald Trump

00:11:46 - 00:11:48 (2 sec)

They're all friends. Everyone's a friend.

Howard Stern

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All right. Let's take a look at Kim alley. Oh Kim Alley, we don't have a picture of. Kim Alley was the girl who said she kissed you.

Donald Trump

00:11:55 - 00:11:58 (4 sec)

That's right. And then had a news conference the next day and announced that we are great lovers

Howard Stern

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So she took advantage of you?

Donald Trump

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And I didn't even know

Howard Stern

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But you didn't like it?

Donald Trump

00:12:01 - 00:12:04 (4 sec)

I didn't like it, she was on the front page of every newspaper in the country and I didn't like it.

Howard Stern

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Why are you rumored to be with Paulina Porizkova?

Donald Trump

00:12:07 - 00:12:09 (2 sec)

That I don't know because I don't know her, I never met her.

Howard Stern

00:12:09 - 00:12:10 (1 sec)

Put a picture up. You never met her.

Donald Trump

00:12:10 - 00:12:12 (1 sec)

No, I never met her

Howard Stern

00:12:12 - 00:12:12 (1 sec)

But yet you are rumored to have been with her.

Donald Trump

00:12:12 - 00:12:14 (2 sec)

She's gorgeous. Put a picture up anyway

Howard Stern

00:12:14 - 00:12:16 (2 sec)

There's the picture, that looks like me. Oh, there she is.

Donald Trump

00:12:16 - 00:12:18 (2 sec)

Isn't she great? But I don't know her, I've never met her.

Howard Stern

00:12:18 - 00:12:19 (1 sec)

Very beautiful.

Donald Trump

00:12:19 - 00:12:20 (1 sec)

Is that the rumor?

Howard Stern

00:12:20 - 00:12:22 (3 sec)

Yes, the rumor is that you had her, or that you claim to have had

Donald Trump

00:12:22 - 00:12:26 (4 sec)

Oh no I never claimed because I don't know her. But she's great looking, I'll tell you.

Howard Stern

00:12:26 - 00:12:30 (4 sec)

All right. Then you had former Miss America Caroline Sapp. Now her you had, true?

Donald Trump

00:12:30 - 00:12:37 (7 sec)

Well, there was a big story about that because I was a judge in the Miss America pageant. She happened to win the Miss America pageant.

Howard Stern

00:12:37 - 00:12:39 (2 sec)

And then you dated her afterwards.

Donald Trump

00:12:39 - 00:12:41 (3 sec)

No, no, no. People think I did it before the pageant.

Howard Stern

00:12:41 - 00:12:42 (1 sec)

I see.

Donald Trump

00:12:42 - 00:12:47 (5 sec)

Carolyn Sapp as a nice woman who's going to be hopefully a great, great tribute to America.

Howard Stern

00:12:47 - 00:13:03 (16 sec)

Got you. Now, what about Uh okay, well here's the best one I think, uh Marla Maples. Now let's take a look at some of her pictures. I put together a montage of Marla, Donalds had her. Now that's the -- Oh, look at that. What is it like when she is in bed with you Donald. Just give the guys at home and wrap on that.

Donald Trump

00:13:03 - 00:13:08 (4 sec)

Well, that's her video and hopefully it's going to sell very well it just came out I hear it's doing good.

Howard Stern

00:13:08 - 00:13:12 (4 sec)

I mean, when she, when she, the first time you, you were alone together, new.

Donald Trump

00:13:12 - 00:13:14 (3 sec)

It is a beautiful structure there's no question about that

Howard Stern

00:13:14 - 00:13:19 (5 sec)

Absolutely perfect. And she's not wearing underpants in that video. Is that correct?

Donald Trump

00:13:19 - 00:13:21 (2 sec)

I would suspect not.

Howard Stern

00:13:21 - 00:13:36 (15 sec)

Absolutely. Very good. [Inaudible] Isn't that fabulous? I tell you something and that-- You know she's doing absolutely nothing with that dumbbell. I mean, it's really is--What it is that that doesn't make it look like that, that is that doesn't make it look like that, that is unbelie -- Now look this, Oh, Oh Oh all right enough, my heart, my heart.

Donald Trump

00:13:36 - 00:13:41 (5 sec)

Do you believe, that if you take the average woman and you give her a dumbbell and she does that for about three minutes a day

Howard Stern

00:13:41 - 00:13:42 (1 sec)

It doesn't work.

Donald Trump

00:13:42 - 00:13:43 (1 sec)

She'll end up like--

Howard Stern

00:13:43 - 00:14:02 (19 sec)

You know, [Inaudible] women buy this, They're thinking they're going to look like Marla Maples, They end up looking like my grandmother. All right let's see who else we have on this list. Of course, there is Ivana. We have Ivana there. You had her. I think Ivana is great. Now that's the old Ivana, I used to say, hey what's Donald doing with the old Ivana? You know I mean, she was all right, nothing great, but what was it the new hairdo, Is it a new nose, What is it?

Donald Trump

00:14:02 - 00:14:04 (2 sec)

It's a new something, but she really --

Howard Stern

00:14:04 - 00:14:06 (1 sec)

Is it a new nose. Donald? .

Donald Trump

00:14:06 - 00:14:11 (6 sec)

She's doing a good job in life, I think, she really is. She hasn't had it so easy, I mean she got all the money in the world, she's all the money in the world but--

Howard Stern

00:14:11 - 00:14:12 (1 sec)

She has had it easy.

Donald Trump

00:14:12 - 00:14:13 (1 sec)

Well

Howard Stern

00:14:13 - 00:14:14 (1 sec)

You made it easy.

Donald Trump

00:14:14 - 00:14:18 (5 sec)

I'll tell you what, she's got $25 million and then she goes out and tells everybody how hard she has to work, okay.

Howard Stern

00:14:18 - 00:14:27 (9 sec)

Quickly give me my chart. I want to know from Donald. Quickly, quickly give me my chart. I have a chart here. All the women in a row. Here we go. Look at this. Quickly, quickly give me my chart. I have a chart here. All the women in a row. Here we go. Look at this.

Donald Trump

00:14:27 - 00:14:28 (1 sec)

We're going to pick a winner?

Howard Stern

00:14:28 - 00:14:33 (5 sec)

Now let's see, who is best? We got; number one Frederique, Stephanie Seymour, Kim Alley, Paulina, now who is the best? Is--When it comes down to it --

Donald Trump

00:14:33 - 00:14:36 (3 sec)

Well let's not, let's let's take this one-off because this is not fair.

Howard Stern

00:14:36 - 00:14:37 (1 sec)

Why is that not fair?

Donald Trump

00:14:37 - 00:14:39 (2 sec)

Because you don't want to compare your wife to anybody.

Howard Stern

00:14:39 - 00:14:41 (2 sec)

All right something tells me she's right here

Donald Trump

00:14:41 - 00:14:41 (1 sec)

So let's let's put --

Howard Stern

00:14:41 - 00:14:45 (4 sec)

He wouldn't have left her if she wasn't there, we're putting her there. Where does Marla go?

Donald Trump

00:14:45 - 00:14:47 (2 sec)

I think we have to put Marla right up here, I think so.

Howard Stern

00:14:47 - 00:14:49 (2 sec)

Come on, let's do that, let's take down Frederique.

Donald Trump

00:14:49 - 00:14:50 (1 sec)

I think we have to put Marla right up here.

Howard Stern

00:14:50 - 00:14:55 (4 sec)

All right, [Inaudible] Marla. Show the video while we put Marla on top, she wins the grand prize.

Donald Trump

00:14:55 - 00:14:59 (4 sec)

It's hard to compare the ones that, as you, as you say, didn't, you didn't have.

Howard Stern

00:14:59 - 00:14:59 (0 sec)

Right.

Donald Trump

00:14:59 - 00:15:01 (2 sec)

Let's see, Kim Alley, I don't know.

Howard Stern

00:15:01 - 00:15:02 (1 sec)

Take her down.

Donald Trump

00:15:02 - 00:15:03 (1 sec)

Stephanie I know but I never had.

Howard Stern

00:15:03 - 00:15:03 (0 sec)

Right.

Donald Trump

00:15:03 - 00:15:04 (1 sec)

Et Cetera et cetera.

Howard Stern

00:15:04 - 00:15:17 (12 sec)

All right so basically, had her, need her, don't need her, need her, need her, had her, had her. Excellent. Well, there it is. When we come back we're going to get to the financial aspect of your life.

Donald Trump

00:15:17 - 00:15:17 (0 sec)

Very good.

Howard Stern

00:15:17 - 00:15:58 (40 sec)

We'll talk more about women, there's got to be more stuff on that. There's plenty going on with Donald Trump. And you will learn it all right here on E, right after these words. E. [Commercial Break] Donald Trump, let me tell you, it's not easy to get Donald Trump, Donald did not want to come on the show until he saw a couple of shows, you want to make sure it was uh, it the right show for you, I'm I correct?

Donald Trump

00:15:58 - 00:16:01 (3 sec)

You do good job, Howard. You always had done a good job. You've done a really good job.

Howard Stern

00:16:01 - 00:16:02 (1 sec)

You know you're very laid back today, very relaxed.

Donald Trump

00:16:02 - 00:16:03 (0 sec)

I'm low-key

Howard Stern

00:16:03 - 00:16:04 (1 sec)

You're very relaxed, you're low-key

Donald Trump

00:16:04 - 00:16:05 (1 sec)

I'm relaxed with you.

Howard Stern

00:16:05 - 00:16:06 (1 sec)

You are a low-key guy.

Donald Trump

00:16:06 - 00:16:08 (2 sec)

Why wouldn't I be relaxed with you. You're A friend of mine.

Howard Stern

00:16:08 - 00:16:19 (11 sec)

Are you at war with who are with uh,--Let's talk about some of your enemies. Are you-- Hey, you know something, Hey, This is a big--Hey, here's big news. Donald tells me during the commercial, you guys are going to love this at home, this is an exclusive as far as I know Donald.

Donald Trump

00:16:19 - 00:16:20 (1 sec)

Go ahead. What did I say?

Howard Stern

00:16:20 - 00:16:29 (10 sec)

This is a -- this has never been aired before. We saw all the pictures of his girlfriends in the last segment. Donald's new girlfriend, I have a picture of her, she is a model, Howina? Is her name?

Donald Trump

00:16:29 - 00:16:30 (0 sec)

Who?

Howard Stern

00:16:30 - 00:16:30 (1 sec)

Howina?

Donald Trump

00:16:30 - 00:16:32 (2 sec)

Never heard of her.

Howard Stern

00:16:32 - 00:16:51 (19 sec)

Supposedly, this is your new girlfriend. Here she is, That's her, Is that true? Do you admit? She is gorgeous, Howina. That don't even look like me. You know, I'm not a bad looking girl. Let me see that again. What do you think Donald? I think I'm a better-looking girl than I am a guy. Could you tell that to me?

Donald Trump

00:16:51 - 00:16:53 (2 sec)

That's not a good body, I'll tell you

Howard Stern

00:16:53 - 00:17:03 (10 sec)

It's a damn good, you know that's my real body. That's the [Inaudible]. I got a real problem. You know what it is, I drank a lot of milk when I was young and I grew breasts. Donald, uh, that is Howina. You've got a little nervous when I said that,

Donald Trump

00:17:03 - 00:17:09 (5 sec)

No, I did. I was trying to figure out who and what we spoke about during the commercial.

Howard Stern

00:17:09 - 00:17:11 (2 sec)

Where's your wallet? Where's your wallet?

Donald Trump

00:17:11 - 00:17:13 (2 sec)

Right here and here.

Howard Stern

00:17:13 - 00:17:18 (4 sec)

All right let me see your wallet, let me see what you got on. Let me see what kind of money you carry around. Has anybody ever asked to look at your wallet?

Donald Trump

00:17:18 - 00:17:19 (2 sec)

Never happened before.

Howard Stern

00:17:19 - 00:17:23 (4 sec)

I'm curious, they always say a guy, are you worth a-- Are you now back to being worth a billion dollars?

Donald Trump

00:17:23 - 00:17:33 (11 sec)

I don't know. It depends uh you know how do you value things like the Plaza or the Taj Mahal or Trump Plaza in Atlantic City, Or you know different things. Real estate is down, but it's coming back up strong.

Howard Stern

00:17:33 - 00:17:36 (2 sec)

Yeah but I mean when you go over your personal finances, are you worth?

Donald Trump

00:17:36 - 00:17:38 (2 sec)

I don't know, I'm just doing really well.

Howard Stern

00:17:38 - 00:17:40 (2 sec)

You're you're set now right, I'm I correct?

Donald Trump

00:17:40 - 00:17:40 (0 sec)

Things are really good

Howard Stern

00:17:40 - 00:17:43 (4 sec)

Let me see your wallet. Come on open up your wallet. Let me just see if you got any cash in there.

Donald Trump

00:17:43 - 00:17:44 (1 sec)

I'll tell you what--

Howard Stern

00:17:44 - 00:17:46 (1 sec)

Let's see what you got.

Donald Trump

00:17:46 - 00:17:47 (2 sec)

I'll tell you what I'll show you,

Howard Stern

00:17:47 - 00:17:49 (1 sec)

Let me see, look at this right here.

Donald Trump

00:17:49 - 00:17:50 (1 sec)

Anything you want Howard?

Howard Stern

00:17:50 - 00:17:57 (7 sec)

Let me see. Let me see what that is. Look at this. Look at that. Look at this. Look at that. Look at all that. Girls.

Donald Trump

00:17:57 - 00:17:58 (1 sec)

Isn't that nice?

Howard Stern

00:17:58 - 00:18:14 (15 sec)

That could be yours. What an advertisement. You know you had to go on Tv to score a girl, right here. You know I often said if I was single, how I would get girls, I would go like, I would -- walk around this.

Donald Trump

00:18:14 - 00:18:17 (3 sec)

Makes it a lot easier, doesn't it?

Howard Stern

00:18:17 - 00:19:01 (44 sec)

That would really work. I'm going to take a break we'll come back we'll wrap this up when we gonna get to everything. Talk about your hotel business, talk about women, talk about Arwina, your new girlfriend. Well we'll be back right after this. [Commercial Break] Here is he is one of the richest dudes in the world, Donald Trump. There he is. Today, we learned some interesting things he's very wealthy and yet he's a prisoner of obsessive-compulsive disorder. You have to wash your hands, how many times a day?

Donald Trump

00:19:01 - 00:19:02 (2 sec)

Well as many as possible.

Howard Stern

00:19:02 - 00:19:04 (2 sec)

True that you have to drink through a straw?

Donald Trump

00:19:04 - 00:19:06 (1 sec)

Not only my hands by the way.

Howard Stern

00:19:06 - 00:19:07 (2 sec)

You have to drink from a straw?

Donald Trump

00:19:07 - 00:19:10 (3 sec)

I'd prefer drinking through a straw if I'm going to a restroom.

Howard Stern

00:19:10 - 00:19:14 (4 sec)

Because you are afraid that the glasses can be contaminated.

Donald Trump

00:19:14 - 00:19:15 (1 sec)

They certainly can be.

Howard Stern

00:19:15 - 00:19:23 (8 sec)

You know something, I've got to tell you something. I'm as paranoid as he is. Do you know that when I go to a urinal, I am afraid to go in a urinal?

Donald Trump

00:19:23 - 00:19:26 (3 sec)

Hey, how about the guys, guys that stand there grabbing the urinal for balance.

Howard Stern

00:19:26 - 00:19:26 (0 sec)

I would never--

Donald Trump

00:19:26 - 00:19:31 (5 sec)

Okay, now tell me, tell me, you ever watch, I watch in amazement. They're standing there grabbing the urinal for balance.

Howard Stern

00:19:31 - 00:19:34 (3 sec)

They are guys holding in a urinal and then-- they're torturing themselves

Donald Trump

00:19:34 - 00:19:37 (3 sec)

And then they come up and they say,' Mr. Trump I'm a big fan. I'd like to shake your hand.

Howard Stern

00:19:37 - 00:19:39 (2 sec)

When a guy comes up to you and want to shake

Donald Trump

00:19:39 - 00:19:42 (3 sec)

I may be a bad guy, When you say excuse me, you were just holding the urinal.

Howard Stern

00:19:42 - 00:19:49 (7 sec)

Now I would do the same exact thing. I just say again, not only with are you holding the urinal you're holding yourself and I don't want to shake somebody hand. There's nothing wrong with that.

Donald Trump

00:19:49 - 00:19:50 (1 sec)

It's incredible, and you know what, they're nice people.

Howard Stern

00:19:50 - 00:19:50 (0 sec)

Germs spread.

Donald Trump

00:19:50 - 00:19:53 (3 sec)

Can I tell you, Like they're nice people, they have no idea what they've just done.

Howard Stern

00:19:53 - 00:20:01 (8 sec)

You're wrong, now you're lying. They're not nice people. They're not thoughtful. I'll tell you something, I go to the bathroom I wash my hands I don't go up to a guy and ask him to shake -- shake hands.

Donald Trump

00:20:01 - 00:20:07 (6 sec)

I don't think they know the difference Howard, I think they do it out of nicest, they don't think that they were just holding the bag wanger, and you know they go up.

Howard Stern

00:20:07 - 00:20:08 (1 sec)

Very true.

Donald Trump

00:20:08 - 00:20:10 (2 sec)

They go up and they, they want to shake your hand. They're not doing it to be bad people.

Howard Stern

00:20:10 - 00:20:13 (3 sec)

You're a wild guy using those dirty words, you know that?

Donald Trump

00:20:13 - 00:20:14 (1 sec)

I say some wild things.

Howard Stern

00:20:14 - 00:20:28 (14 sec)

Using words like uh like uh, wanger. You're getting out of control on here. Let me tell you something, I'm here with Donald Trump. We're talking about some of your enemies. We're talking about drinking through a straw. There are enemies out there you do not like Ed Koch the mayor of- former mayor of New York?

Donald Trump

00:20:28 - 00:20:28 (1 sec)

Major [Inaudible]

Howard Stern

00:20:28 - 00:20:39 (11 sec)

Major. Look at that. Hold it a second, hold it a second. Why do ev -- Why is everyone come on this show and want to use dirty words. What is it, why? Because I'm one of my shock jock, is that it? You're more shocking than I am.

Donald Trump

00:20:39 - 00:20:47 (8 sec)

Now he has, he is really a guy that didn't do a very good job as mayor. The city is paying for it, so we're paying a price. And you know, hey, just not a good guy.

Howard Stern

00:20:47 - 00:20:50 (3 sec)

You ever cry? Are you ever weak?

Donald Trump

00:20:50 - 00:20:51 (1 sec)

I haven't recently.

Howard Stern

00:20:51 - 00:20:52 (1 sec)

You have never cried?

Donald Trump

00:20:52 - 00:20:56 (5 sec)

Yeah we're all weak. I think we're all weak I think we all cry at some point. But I haven't for a long time.

Howard Stern

00:20:56 - 00:20:57 (1 sec)

Are you at war with your own brother?

Donald Trump

00:20:57 - 00:20:58 (1 sec)

No.

Howard Stern

00:20:58 - 00:20:59 (1 sec)

You like him?

Donald Trump

00:20:59 - 00:21:00 (1 sec)

I like him

Howard Stern

00:21:00 - 00:21:03 (3 sec)

You like his wife? Isn't his wife a pain in the ass?

Donald Trump

00:21:03 - 00:21:03 (0 sec)

She's fine.

Howard Stern

00:21:03 - 00:21:08 (5 sec)

She's she's a pain in the ass? I'd see it in your ass. You want to say she's a pain in the ass and you can't. Is she a pain in the ass?

Donald Trump

00:21:08 - 00:21:12 (4 sec)

No, she likes the ballroom scene she likes the social scene, she's into the world of socialites.

Howard Stern

00:21:12 - 00:21:12 (1 sec)

You're not into that?

Donald Trump

00:21:12 - 00:21:13 (1 sec)

No I'm not.

Howard Stern

00:21:13 - 00:21:14 (1 sec)

So you don't like her?

Donald Trump

00:21:14 - 00:21:17 (3 sec)

I didn't say I don't like her, I say that she's different from me.

Howard Stern

00:21:17 - 00:21:18 (1 sec)

You see your brother a lot?

Donald Trump

00:21:18 - 00:21:18 (1 sec)

Yeah.

Howard Stern

00:21:18 - 00:21:20 (1 sec)

Oh you do? So you are close with him

Donald Trump

00:21:20 - 00:21:21 (2 sec)

I have a good--I have really a good relationship with

Howard Stern

00:21:21 - 00:21:24 (3 sec)

And the kids you have a good relationship with, even on they say you're not having a good relationship the kids

Donald Trump

00:21:24 - 00:21:25 (1 sec)

With my kids?

Howard Stern

00:21:25 - 00:21:25 (1 sec)

Yeah, with the kids.

Donald Trump

00:21:25 - 00:21:28 (3 sec)

We just got back from a week in Aspen, we have a great relationship.

Howard Stern

00:21:28 - 00:21:37 (9 sec)

Ah, We love that. That's unbelievable. I would like a week in Aspen. Although I'm a 7 foot 5 dork. I can't even stand up on skis. Well, you're having a great life. Donald Trump, I thank you for coming here.

Donald Trump

00:21:37 - 00:21:38 (0 sec)

Thank you.

Howard Stern

00:21:38 - 00:21:41 (3 sec)

And I wish you a lot of luck. Your casinos are doing better than ever.

Donald Trump

00:21:41 - 00:21:45 (4 sec)

They're doing real record business now. They're doing number one, two, and three. We're doing tremendous.

Howard Stern

00:21:45 - 00:21:47 (2 sec)

So anyone in it, Oh gosh Atlantic City. You should go to Trump Casino

Donald Trump

00:21:47 - 00:21:48 (1 sec)

I hope so.

Howard Stern

00:21:48 - 00:21:49 (1 sec)

Am I right? Or the Taj Mahal.

Donald Trump

00:21:49 - 00:21:50 (1 sec)

Or the Taj Mahal.

Howard Stern

00:21:50 - 00:21:59 (10 sec)

Well, there you have it. You learned everything. What the hell did you learn? You know you learn nothing on this show? I talk more about myself than the guests gets to talk. But I want to thank you, Donald. We'll see you next time here on the Howard Stern interview.

Donald Trump

00:21:59 - 00:22:00 (1 sec)

Thank you guys

Howard Stern

00:22:00 - 00:22:09 (9 sec)

It's always fun, always fun. [Inaudible]. Oh, encore? [Inaudible] Second half-hour That was fun. [Commercial Break]

Donald Trump

00:22:09 - 00:22:09 (1 sec)

That was cool.

Howard Stern

00:22:09 - 00:22:11 (2 sec)

I was surprised Marla made it on the top of the charts.

Donald Trump

00:22:11 - 00:22:13 (2 sec)

Well, I wanted to do that out of respect

Howard Stern

00:22:13 - 00:22:14 (1 sec)

You wanna do that out of respect.

Donald Trump

00:22:14 - 00:22:18 (3 sec)

The other ones I didn't even know. Put up my top.

Howard Stern

00:22:18 - 00:22:19 (1 sec)

Have a good one.

Donald Trump

00:22:19 - 00:22:20 (1 sec)

Okay, baby. I'll see you soon.

Howard Stern

00:22:20 - 00:22:24 (4 sec)

I'm shaking your hands. But I haven't gone to the bathroom.

Donald Trump

00:22:24 - 00:22:29 (5 sec)

I know, with you I don't mind.

Howard Stern

00:22:29 - 00:22:30 (1 sec)

I'm the same way

Donald Trump

00:22:30 - 00:22:43 (13 sec)

With you, I don't mind. [Commercial Break]

Interview: Donald Trump on The Howard Stern Interview on E! - May 8, 1993

Interview: Donald Trump on The Howard Stern Interview on E! - May 8, 1993

Source: Howard Stern