I like Howard, but I have to be crazy to be here. [Commercial Break] Look at this, Look who I'm here with. Look at that. Multi-billionaire, Donald Trump. Good to see you, Donald. [Inaudible] Hey, Howard. How you doing? Huh. You thought I was riff-raff here on the E channel. You have watched the show? I watch it. It's a little tough to get it in New York but we're going to change that. We're going to change that. Donald's going to change that. A lot of people saying, Hey, Howard how did you get Donald Trump on the show? A lot of people will ask that because Donald is a man of fierce loyalty but he's also fierce with his enemies. If someone is your enemy you don't associate with them. Well, I don't -- I don't really like people that are enemies and I like to destroy them. It's that you -- you understand as you did. Yes. I have that same moo-doo-whama-jamma that everybody loves. I have that same killer instinct. Of course, I'm not a billionaire, that's the problem. I have the killer instinct but I'm not a billionaire. Donald Trump, I'll tell you how I became your friend. I saw Donald Trump as a victim, a victim during the Ivana divorce case, I saw you as a victim. And people said, Well, wait a second, Donald Trump isn't good to women, Donald Trump dates a lot of different women, Donald Trump was cheating on his wife, Donald Trump was doing this. I saw you as the victim in this case. I like it. You know why I so you as a victim? Why should I say anything? This is beautiful. Should I tell you why I so you as the victim? Because people at home don't know what to think of Donald Trump. There are people who hate you, Right? There are some people that dislike me intensely. Are they jealous? I hate to say they're jealous but perhaps they are. Are they jealous because they -- you are living the life that they want to be living. That could be. That could be it. Let me tell you something. What happened to Donald Trump and I'll do it briefly. He was married to this Ivana. All right, like a lot of guys you fell out of love. True? True. True? [Inaudible] What is this, a courtroom? [Inaudible] So, you fell out of love with Ivana. Okay. You did a very honorable thing. You paid her $25 million for a divorce settlement. That's true. That's a lot of money. A lot of money. The time you were in financial trouble. The deepest trouble of my life. Absolutely. Were you truly in financial trouble? Deep, deep trouble. You were -- They said that you were bankrupt, but within your corporation have been bankrupt. But you personally would not [Inaudible] They thought I might be bankrupt. They didn't know. Nobody really understood. And perhaps I didn't even understand, but I was -- I was at a pretty low point in my life. This is about two years ago and since then a lot of great things have happened but at that point, that was the lowest financial point in life. Could you have lost all of your personal money? I mean, could Donald Trump could -- I could have. You could have been a working stiff. You know how embarrassing it would be to be like Donald Trump and going to work like a supermarket. He's the vice president of a supermarket. That would have been embarrassing. True? It could happen. Could happen. You were really nervous. And yet you were able to put together 25 million -- excuse me I spit on you, Donald. That's okay. Twenty-five million dollars. I put together 25 million. You put together $25 million to pay your wife. And you said to your wife, by the way, you would gotten her to sign a prenuptial agreement. True? That's correct? How the hell did you get her to sign a prenuptial agreement. A lot of guys out there want to know about this. Twenty-five million it's easy. But -- but -- but seriously, she knew that she could not have your empire. What's the move there? How do you say, Hey, Ivana honey, sign this little agreement. How do you do it? At that time, she was challenging the agreement. She was suing me for two and a half billion dollars. And when the times really hit low, at the lowest at the worst day of my life. New York Times front page, Wall Street Journal front page, all of a sudden she called up and she said I'll take the $25 million. Yeah. But how did you get her to sign the prenuptial? Was this before. You know, before you were married you said -- It really wasn't easy but it worked out. I mean, it worked. So, you got her to sig. Why you were married to her? Before I was married and then ultimately I had another one signed while we were married. That is fantastic. That is unbelievable. If I was Ivana, I never would've signed. Never. Yeah. What I'm -- Hey, I'm no bim. [Inaudible] Let me tell you something. So, there you -- That is truly the art of the deal is it not. I don't know if it's the art of the deal but I will tell you she did sign it and she should have lived up to it. And then after she got the money. Exactly. I think I know what you're gonna say. You gave her $25 million. He gives her the money. Now listen to this. He gives her the money and she goes ahead and she writes a book. Now part of the deal was, if you took $25 million, I'm spitting all over you. It's okay. I don't mind. And I shouldn't spit all over you because you have germ phobia. True? I do have germ phobia. You wash your hands, how many times a day? As many times as possible. But you realize that's a psychological problem. It could be a psychological problem. But there's no way for you to get -- You cannot overpower this problem, you know that -- a You know, so far I haven't left to wash my hands. [Inaudible] I mean theoretically you know, because that's obsessive-compulsive, right? Have you ever gone to a psychiatrist to eliminate that problem? No. That's called hand -- I like it. I like cleanliness. Cleanliness is a nice thing. Not only hands, body, everything. How was that compulsion take form? In other words, you are also -- all your women are AIDs tested? True? Well, hopefully, they don't have AIDS. How do you get the women to get the AIDS test, that's the best part of this interview. How do you say to a woman, Hey, you -- And you date beautiful women. You got Marla Maples, you've got all the various models, all models. True? Not all models but beautiful women. I tend to like beautiful women more than unattractive women. I don't know, maybe that makes me bad. Join the club. And with this face, it's no problem and getting beautiful women. When you got a mug like this, they all go for you. So in other words, you say to them, Hey, I'll sleep with you. I'm Trump. I'm worth billions. I can change your life. You go take an AIDS test. Do you have a special doctor that you trust and -- Well, that rumor started getting out there and somehow that story is going out and it isn't the idea. I thought you started that rumor? Well, no, no. I didn't start it. It was in an article, and you know how articles starts, and it just keeps getting repeated. So, the girls don't have to take an AIDS test? Not really. I'm just very careful, though. Really? I own 25% of Goodyear Tire and Rubber. You wear a rubber? There you go, there's something interesting you don't hear every day on TV. So, in other words -- But I am very careful with the people. But you can't be too careful. Why not? You got a great life. Can I tell you what? AIDS is a disaster. AIDS attack everyone. Yes. It attacks everybody, and who knows. And let's say you have a lot of girlfriends. True? I -- I like a lot of people. Well, who doesn't? So, anyway getting back to it, you get Ivana to sign this prenuptial agreement and what does she do? Donald says, I will give you the $25 million, but don't don't write about me, don't talk about me. Personally, I'd shut my mouth for 10 million. The one big condition. The one big condition. The one big condition. So, what does she do? There she goes, I want to write a book. I want to write a book. It's -- It's not it's not their true story. What I will do is I won't call the man in the book the Donald, I'll call him the Ronald. And the book was clearly about you, was it not? It was, it was. And you are entitled to that $25 million back. If there was a judge with courage, and I heard you saying this once on your morning show in your radio show. If there were a judge with courage they would give me that $25 million back. Yes. Now, which is better? The old Ivana or the new Ivana? . Isn't it the ultimate trip to have a wife or a woman change your whole physical appearance just to keep you, Donald Trump. That to me -- For what -- My wife, if she would even go on an exercise regimen for me I'd be happy. She walking around she doesn't care what she looks like. But really Ivana, I feel in order to hold on to you, really did a remarkable makeover. Is [Inaudible] correct? Well, I don't want -- I don't want to talk about what she did or whatever but -- And she's a good woman and I'll always love her. She's not a good woman, Donald. I'm going to tell you something. Any woman, if you give her $25 million -- You don't have to say she's a good woman. She's not a good woman. She's the mother of your children. That's true. True. But that's it. That's as far as it goes. Yeah. But she's the mother of my children. She's screwing you. She screwed you on this. I'm saying you don't have to say, you sit there quiet. I'm saying for $25 million, she should keep her mouth shut. True? She should not have said anything. Of course. A deal is a deal. She should not have been commercial. She should not have done what she did. She did it and there's litigation on this whole point. It will be interesting to see what a judge rules. Well, I certainly would rule in your favor. And why can't you be a judge? I'm not a judge, although I have the hair of a judge. An English judge. So, let's -- Do I to take a break? Okay. I'm going to take a break, Donald. When we come back I want to explore the various women you are dating. I have pictures. Explore in what sense? Because I -- I want to look at pictures of them. I have exercise videos of Marla Maples. The originals? I have great stuff. I've got all different pictures of the model. Then we'll evaluate the different models. And we'll choose the best. And we will choose the best one. Because you are living my fantasy life. You really are. With all that money, then we'll talk about your money. Then will look in your wallet and we'll see how much money you have in your wallet. I'm very curious. Donald Trump, back on the E channel. All right. Whatever it is, they call it E. Right after this. [Commercial Break] Hey, I'm sitting here with Donald Trump. This is E. I'm Howard Stern. What an interview program. [Inaudible]. We're talking about my favorite topic. Women. Why does a woman date you, Donald? Why does a woman date you? I don't know, Howard. But I know that it's something that I work at. And it's something -- So, you think it's the money only? I hope not. I will say this, I have a lot of wealthy friends, a lot of them, they can't get a date, they try like hell and they can't get a date. Wealthy guys. Wealthy guys. And you once said that the best way to treat a woman is to treat her like duty. No. I never said that but You never did? It was attributed to me. [Inaudible] But I'll tell you some, I agree with that statement. They don't listen otherwise. I tell you women are troublemakers. I couldn't get women. [Inaudible] Ah, shut up. The dummies working here. [Inaudible] So, you never did say that? No I never said that but it was attributed to me. I see. So you treat women with respect. I can't say that either. [Inaudible] All right. Good. All right. I do, I treat women with great respect. Guys, treat women somewhere in between respect and do -- do. All right, very good. Now, let's get to the women, let's see pictures. That's what I'm into, okay? Number one, let's get to here's a woman that you are associated with. Her name is Frederique. She is a lingerie model. This is a girl -- this is a girl who is your girlfriend, Now -- Well she's a really good friend and she's a great woman and she's going to be very successful as time goes by in terms of other things. But right now she's one of the most successful models she works for Victoria's Secret. I would do the heinie dance for her. How did you meet this beautiful woman? You know, I don't even know. I just met her. Did you go through the catalog and pick. So, I got to meet them, get them, got them? No, but when I found out who she was I got the catalog and checked it out. You did? She's really beautiful. And you called her on the phone and said I would like to meet with you? Well, it just worked out that I got to meet her and she's really an outstanding woman. How long between the time that you meet her and the time -- How long is the time period between your meeting her going to bed? I know. I do know [Inaudible] How many times does it take Donald Trump to close that deal? Well, Frederique, I must tell you this Frederique's is just a friend. Different women different things. Yes, Frederick is just a friend. You have not scored with her. You have not kissed her you've not got to second base third base him. It's such a personal thing perhaps she wouldn't want to even talk about. Would it ruin your chances with her if you do mention something like that? Probably not. Is it not true that you picked up Marla Maples at the airport this morning? Woo. Yes. I read about that. You have that information. So if she hears about that Will it ruin your scene or you will have to be a -- Probably not. You will not? No, it won't Unbelievable. You said that women like being treated badly. Yes. So the more they think you're desirable, the more they will go for you. There's something to that. It's sick isn't it? Woman Number two a picture of Stephanie Seymour. Now, you claim you did not sleep with this one but, that's Stephanie Seymour? That's Stephanie Seymour. Look at her. She's Axl Rose's girlfriend. Is anything wrong with her? Nothing whatsoever. That's perfect, right? It's awfully close. That's awfully close. Oh, I wish I could see her body. I could only imagine what is there. You can see her body. I can. Where can I see her body? How about Victoria's Secret also. You have not had her? You had her? No. Did she not. She was your girlfriend for awhile? I didn't have her. You were rumored to have have her. I didn't have her either. Are you being serious? No, I'm being serious. I really -- Everyone [Inaudible] Well, what the hell I got you here for? You didn't have anybody. This one is a friend that one -- They're all friends. Everyone's a friend. All right. Let's take a look at Kim alley. Oh Kim Alley, we don't have a picture of. Kim Alley was the girl who said she kissed you. That's right. And then had a news conference the next day and announced that we are great lovers So she took advantage of you? And I didn't even know But you didn't like it? I didn't like it, she was on the front page of every newspaper in the country and I didn't like it. Why are you rumored to be with Paulina Porizkova? That I don't know because I don't know her, I never met her. Put a picture up. You never met her. No, I never met her But yet you are rumored to have been with her. She's gorgeous. Put a picture up anyway There's the picture, that looks like me. Oh, there she is. Isn't she great? But I don't know her, I've never met her. Very beautiful. Is that the rumor? Yes, the rumor is that you had her, or that you claim to have had Oh no I never claimed because I don't know her. But she's great looking, I'll tell you. All right. Then you had former Miss America Caroline Sapp. Now her you had, true? Well, there was a big story about that because I was a judge in the Miss America pageant. She happened to win the Miss America pageant. And then you dated her afterwards. No, no, no. People think I did it before the pageant. I see. Carolyn Sapp as a nice woman who's going to be hopefully a great, great tribute to America. Got you. Now, what about Uh okay, well here's the best one I think, uh Marla Maples. Now let's take a look at some of her pictures. I put together a montage of Marla, Donalds had her. Now that's the -- Oh, look at that. What is it like when she is in bed with you Donald. Just give the guys at home and wrap on that. Well, that's her video and hopefully it's going to sell very well it just came out I hear it's doing good. I mean, when she, when she, the first time you, you were alone together, new. It is a beautiful structure there's no question about that Absolutely perfect. And she's not wearing underpants in that video. Is that correct? I would suspect not. Absolutely. Very good. [Inaudible] Isn't that fabulous? I tell you something and that-- You know she's doing absolutely nothing with that dumbbell. I mean, it's really is--What it is that that doesn't make it look like that, that is that doesn't make it look like that, that is unbelie -- Now look this, Oh, Oh Oh all right enough, my heart, my heart. Do you believe, that if you take the average woman and you give her a dumbbell and she does that for about three minutes a day It doesn't work. She'll end up like-- You know, [Inaudible] women buy this, They're thinking they're going to look like Marla Maples, They end up looking like my grandmother. All right let's see who else we have on this list. Of course, there is Ivana. We have Ivana there. You had her. I think Ivana is great. Now that's the old Ivana, I used to say, hey what's Donald doing with the old Ivana? You know I mean, she was all right, nothing great, but what was it the new hairdo, Is it a new nose, What is it? It's a new something, but she really -- Is it a new nose. Donald? . She's doing a good job in life, I think, she really is. She hasn't had it so easy, I mean she got all the money in the world, she's all the money in the world but-- She has had it easy. Well You made it easy. I'll tell you what, she's got $25 million and then she goes out and tells everybody how hard she has to work, okay. Quickly give me my chart. I want to know from Donald. Quickly, quickly give me my chart. I have a chart here. All the women in a row. Here we go. Look at this. Quickly, quickly give me my chart. I have a chart here. All the women in a row. Here we go. Look at this. We're going to pick a winner? Now let's see, who is best? We got; number one Frederique, Stephanie Seymour, Kim Alley, Paulina, now who is the best? Is--When it comes down to it -- Well let's not, let's let's take this one-off because this is not fair. Why is that not fair? Because you don't want to compare your wife to anybody. All right something tells me she's right here So let's let's put -- He wouldn't have left her if she wasn't there, we're putting her there. Where does Marla go? I think we have to put Marla right up here, I think so. Come on, let's do that, let's take down Frederique. I think we have to put Marla right up here. All right, [Inaudible] Marla. Show the video while we put Marla on top, she wins the grand prize. It's hard to compare the ones that, as you, as you say, didn't, you didn't have. Right. Let's see, Kim Alley, I don't know. Take her down. Stephanie I know but I never had. Right. Et Cetera et cetera. All right so basically, had her, need her, don't need her, need her, need her, had her, had her. Excellent. Well, there it is. When we come back we're going to get to the financial aspect of your life. Very good. We'll talk more about women, there's got to be more stuff on that. There's plenty going on with Donald Trump. And you will learn it all right here on E, right after these words. E. [Commercial Break] Donald Trump, let me tell you, it's not easy to get Donald Trump, Donald did not want to come on the show until he saw a couple of shows, you want to make sure it was uh, it the right show for you, I'm I correct? You do good job, Howard. You always had done a good job. You've done a really good job. You know you're very laid back today, very relaxed. I'm low-key You're very relaxed, you're low-key I'm relaxed with you. You are a low-key guy. Why wouldn't I be relaxed with you. You're A friend of mine. Are you at war with who are with uh,--Let's talk about some of your enemies. Are you-- Hey, you know something, Hey, This is a big--Hey, here's big news. Donald tells me during the commercial, you guys are going to love this at home, this is an exclusive as far as I know Donald. Go ahead. What did I say? This is a -- this has never been aired before. We saw all the pictures of his girlfriends in the last segment. Donald's new girlfriend, I have a picture of her, she is a model, Howina? Is her name? Who? Howina? Never heard of her. Supposedly, this is your new girlfriend. Here she is, That's her, Is that true? Do you admit? She is gorgeous, Howina. That don't even look like me. You know, I'm not a bad looking girl. Let me see that again. What do you think Donald? I think I'm a better-looking girl than I am a guy. Could you tell that to me? That's not a good body, I'll tell you It's a damn good, you know that's my real body. That's the [Inaudible]. I got a real problem. You know what it is, I drank a lot of milk when I was young and I grew breasts. Donald, uh, that is Howina. You've got a little nervous when I said that, No, I did. I was trying to figure out who and what we spoke about during the commercial. Where's your wallet? Where's your wallet? Right here and here. All right let me see your wallet, let me see what you got on. Let me see what kind of money you carry around. Has anybody ever asked to look at your wallet? Never happened before. I'm curious, they always say a guy, are you worth a-- Are you now back to being worth a billion dollars? I don't know. It depends uh you know how do you value things like the Plaza or the Taj Mahal or Trump Plaza in Atlantic City, Or you know different things. Real estate is down, but it's coming back up strong. Yeah but I mean when you go over your personal finances, are you worth? I don't know, I'm just doing really well. You're you're set now right, I'm I correct? Things are really good Let me see your wallet. Come on open up your wallet. Let me just see if you got any cash in there. I'll tell you what-- Let's see what you got. I'll tell you what I'll show you, Let me see, look at this right here. Anything you want Howard? Let me see. Let me see what that is. Look at this. Look at that. Look at this. Look at that. Look at all that. Girls. Isn't that nice? That could be yours. What an advertisement. You know you had to go on Tv to score a girl, right here. You know I often said if I was single, how I would get girls, I would go like, I would -- walk around this. Makes it a lot easier, doesn't it? That would really work. I'm going to take a break we'll come back we'll wrap this up when we gonna get to everything. Talk about your hotel business, talk about women, talk about Arwina, your new girlfriend. Well we'll be back right after this. [Commercial Break] Here is he is one of the richest dudes in the world, Donald Trump. There he is. Today, we learned some interesting things he's very wealthy and yet he's a prisoner of obsessive-compulsive disorder. You have to wash your hands, how many times a day? Well as many as possible. True that you have to drink through a straw? Not only my hands by the way. You have to drink from a straw? I'd prefer drinking through a straw if I'm going to a restroom. Because you are afraid that the glasses can be contaminated. They certainly can be. You know something, I've got to tell you something. I'm as paranoid as he is. Do you know that when I go to a urinal, I am afraid to go in a urinal? Hey, how about the guys, guys that stand there grabbing the urinal for balance. I would never-- Okay, now tell me, tell me, you ever watch, I watch in amazement. They're standing there grabbing the urinal for balance. They are guys holding in a urinal and then-- they're torturing themselves And then they come up and they say,' Mr. Trump I'm a big fan. I'd like to shake your hand. When a guy comes up to you and want to shake I may be a bad guy, When you say excuse me, you were just holding the urinal. Now I would do the same exact thing. I just say again, not only with are you holding the urinal you're holding yourself and I don't want to shake somebody hand. There's nothing wrong with that. It's incredible, and you know what, they're nice people. Germs spread. Can I tell you, Like they're nice people, they have no idea what they've just done. You're wrong, now you're lying. They're not nice people. They're not thoughtful. I'll tell you something, I go to the bathroom I wash my hands I don't go up to a guy and ask him to shake -- shake hands. I don't think they know the difference Howard, I think they do it out of nicest, they don't think that they were just holding the bag wanger, and you know they go up. Very true. They go up and they, they want to shake your hand. They're not doing it to be bad people. You're a wild guy using those dirty words, you know that? I say some wild things. Using words like uh like uh, wanger. You're getting out of control on here. Let me tell you something, I'm here with Donald Trump. We're talking about some of your enemies. We're talking about drinking through a straw. There are enemies out there you do not like Ed Koch the mayor of- former mayor of New York? Major [Inaudible] Major. Look at that. Hold it a second, hold it a second. Why do ev -- Why is everyone come on this show and want to use dirty words. What is it, why? Because I'm one of my shock jock, is that it? You're more shocking than I am. Now he has, he is really a guy that didn't do a very good job as mayor. The city is paying for it, so we're paying a price. And you know, hey, just not a good guy. You ever cry? Are you ever weak? I haven't recently. You have never cried? Yeah we're all weak. I think we're all weak I think we all cry at some point. But I haven't for a long time. Are you at war with your own brother? No. You like him? I like him You like his wife? Isn't his wife a pain in the ass? She's fine. She's she's a pain in the ass? I'd see it in your ass. You want to say she's a pain in the ass and you can't. Is she a pain in the ass? No, she likes the ballroom scene she likes the social scene, she's into the world of socialites. You're not into that? No I'm not. So you don't like her? I didn't say I don't like her, I say that she's different from me. You see your brother a lot? Yeah. Oh you do? So you are close with him I have a good--I have really a good relationship with And the kids you have a good relationship with, even on they say you're not having a good relationship the kids With my kids? Yeah, with the kids. We just got back from a week in Aspen, we have a great relationship. Ah, We love that. That's unbelievable. I would like a week in Aspen. Although I'm a 7 foot 5 dork. I can't even stand up on skis. Well, you're having a great life. Donald Trump, I thank you for coming here. Thank you. And I wish you a lot of luck. Your casinos are doing better than ever. They're doing real record business now. They're doing number one, two, and three. We're doing tremendous. So anyone in it, Oh gosh Atlantic City. You should go to Trump Casino I hope so. Am I right? Or the Taj Mahal. Or the Taj Mahal. Well, there you have it. You learned everything. What the hell did you learn? You know you learn nothing on this show? I talk more about myself than the guests gets to talk. But I want to thank you, Donald. We'll see you next time here on the Howard Stern interview. Thank you guys It's always fun, always fun. [Inaudible]. Oh, encore? [Inaudible] Second half-hour That was fun. [Commercial Break] That was cool. I was surprised Marla made it on the top of the charts. Well, I wanted to do that out of respect You wanna do that out of respect. The other ones I didn't even know. Put up my top. Have a good one. Okay, baby. I'll see you soon. I'm shaking your hands. But I haven't gone to the bathroom. I know, with you I don't mind. I'm the same way With you, I don't mind. [Commercial Break]