Donald Trump is on the phone, came up with a good idea. What is it J.D.? You're gonna get some shitty gift for Gary? No. I -- Has he li -- Have you liked my gifts from the past? Like -- He always -- He does get something very thoughtful. Thoughtful. Yeah. Like a little book or a little CD or something. You know he's a good dude. He's a good dude but it's crummy -- I'm not getting the pay that you're getting. No. Me and Robin. I always tried I'm thrilled. Robin's going to get you a bookcase made of a fucking antique ship or something. Right. Can be something valuable something. Something of great worth. I bought you the Nina. She's gonna buy me the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria. [Inaudible]. Donald -- Donald Trump is -- Thank you. Donald Trump is on the phone. It's always good to speak to him. Good morning. Good morning. He's opinionated -- Hey, Howard Hi. How are you been? I'm good. I haven't seen you. I know it's been a while. It's been too long. I mean you had a baby. You don't sit home with a baby. No it's never been my thing. So, how does that work? I probably should but I never -- No, Melania is a wonderful mother, she takes care of the baby, and I pay all the costs. Are you afraid that the baby won't really know you in the sense that -- I mean that, I know you, you're -- you're not -- you're not going to sit around and bounce and get on your knee. Right. You're afraid of germs and kids carry germs like crazy. Are you afraid to even touch your own kid? That's right. Absolutely. I know. I see what you're saying When he has a cold. I just, you know, keep him away from me. Do you think the kid will be psychologically damaged? Your other kids grow up great but -- They did. Well, they got lucky. It could be. It could very well be. The other day came back he was playing with little children in the park, all little-spoiled kids like him. Right. And he came back and I saw -- I noticed there was a little sniffle just a very slight sniffle. I wanted nothing to do with that. How was that kid -- you know the kid you had with Marla Maple? Yes. How's that one? She's doing good. Tiffany. Do you ever see her. I do see her and she's a great kid. Yes. She comes to town visits a little bit? Yeah. For about, you know, an hour. Are you going to -- Hi, dad., "Hi Are you going -- She's a great kid Are you going to hook her up in business, like you did with the other two? I might. It depends on her abilities. I mean, we'll have to see the other two, and now actually three have a great business instinct. And, you know, I don't know about that with Tiffany she's very good, she's very smart, she's got great marks. She has all As, all the time. I mean, it's amazing, her report cards are great. You actually see the report card? I actually do. I glance at them. Rank your kids in order from your favorite to your least favorite. I like them all. I love them all. [Inaudible] So, Melania stays at home with the kid. I see pictures of her, she's always with the baby. Right. But then when you want to go out and stuff you've got a full-time staff watching that kid, right? Well, I have -- We have people to take care -- Even we can go out, but she really is a very hands-on mother. I think you like your daughter the best. I like them all. I think you most proud of her, even better than the son. She's great. No, the son is great. They're all really good kids. He has two sons. And if they weren't that lovable the same -- You know you just, I know -- I know people that have one child who is just amazing. and then they have other kids that aren't, they love them all the same. I love them all the same. And my son has done an amazing job in terms of business. Actually, don Jr. Well who isn't amazing then. So far I'm lucky, Robin. I mean, so far the kids have been good, you know I can't say Eric just joined. He was a great student in school. Which one is Eric?. He's the youngest son. Eric is six foot six, he's my young -- He's exactly your height. I don't even know which live next hour Eric is your. Yeah that's have on him. And what's the other son Frank as they say in the horce racing business from Havana. Oh I didn't really I didn't realize that with three from my three. And he's been really good. I mean, you know, very good student just started with me. I think he's going to be good. I mean. I'll let you know that the answer to that question, Robin in about five years. Okay. You know, I've been thinking about this. Won't be so great if I wasn't in love with Beth, I would totally be dating Donald's daughter. She is getting hotter and hotter, getting hotter, and hotter she's wearing hotter outfits and she really is good in business. I mean, to me that's a hot package and it would drive Donald nuts. But he'd have to accept me. It would drive me totally nuts. If I didn't love you it would drive me totally nuts having you be the son in law just -- I don't know. But I think you and Beth make the per -- When are you getting married, Howard? Will you just marry her, please. Maybe next time. Maybe next summer You're never going to find better. No. She's great. I know how to get you married quickly, if I represent it best I would tell her to do certain things, you would marry her so fast. Right. To leave me for a while. Yeah a little bit. I'd say call him up. Tell him how much you love him. But you're leaving town for about a week or two. I tell you, you better hope we don't break up because I'm going right after your daughter. It just I'm not kidding. I exactly know where I got myself in. Now you have the best interest. That's right. Best interest. And just think Melania would be my stepmother. That also is a good also a good-looking combination. No I tell you, Ivanka has -- she's really become a great beauty, but she's also really smart and she's doing very well. And then I go to the like that that Mer-a-Lago and I got all the like really -- You would hang around Donald's different houses. He'd hanging around and I'd be sitting there miserable. Oh, yeah, the thought of Howard Stern with your daughter. And I'd be saying, "Can you believe this happened to me?""" The worst luck ever. Know, I could do worse. Not a hell of a lot worse. When you think of it Right. Am I really that bad? Well, you'd be an interesting son in law. I mean, I'm good in business. I wouldn't say you're the classic. You're not exactly what I had in mind. Right. She's 25 years old. Not exactly, but of course, I wouldn't say I'm exactly what a lot of mothers have in mind either, but I'm -- Am I too Jewy? I do have some compensating balances. Am I too Jewy to fit in with the Trump thing. No, no. Not at all. No, no, no. Come on, let's be honest. Be honest. I'm too aren't I? Of course not. The schnozz and the whole thing. No not at all. You know you should do. And then we'll get Ivanka to convert. You know what you should do is become a real Jew. You should get with a yarmulke. You know the whole thing I might show up tomorrow Mar-a-Lago, "That's mine father in law.""" Tell him to get out here immediately. That would kill himself. That would be a beautiful. That would end your life. That would be fun, Howard. In many ways I'd love it in many ways that'll be a lot of fun, I'd be depressed but also have some fun. You know my feeling on you is you know d is mentioned in the Rosie O'Donnell book of course you know because of the big feud. I think that you like that Rosie O'Donnell is even acknowledging you in the book I mean it actually is good for your business in a sense of celebrity. Well, first of all her book is a total disaster. Is it? Oh, it's ridiculous. You read it? And, you know, yeah. I've seen excerpts of it and there is absolutely you gain nothing other than she banged her fingers with a baseball bat. You know this is a real beauty. And you know when I took on Rosie -- Because Rosie -- You know I didn't do anything. Somebody called me up from the press they said, "do you know Rosie O'donnell went on a 15-minute tirade about you?""" Right. I said, "She did? What did I do?"" I gave Tara Conner who was in the big show tonight. I gave Tara Conner a break. You know I gave her a chance to remain Miss USA and all that stuff and go to rehab and it really -- So far it's been over a year and so forth Snd it set off Rosie O'Donnell And it sets her off. That's an odd thing to set a person off. Yeah. I always said because she wanted Tara. She wanted her. So. you know, one of those things. I'm sure she would have loved to console Tara. She calls Mr. Trump a torn scarecrow whatever the fuck that means. Yeah. And a slug Yeah. I don't know what that means either. I honestly did not anticipate the malice of his response. Oh, did is what she wrote in the book? I assume Donald believed he had money. I did not assume Donald believed he was money, but apparently he does. The stuffing of his self spilled out, think of a torn scarecrow instead of, hey, it's crisp $100 bills blowing through the cornfield. Boy, you two are really going at it. I don't even know what the hell -- You know I was a great student. I have no idea what she's talking about. You know I've always said Rosie's a dummy. You know Rosie's not smart. And Rosie's ratings were not good on the viewer until she started the feud with me. Do you feel you are responsible for her success. I feel I'm somewhat responsible Actually yes I do. And what about Barbara Walters? She attacked Barbara Walters rather viciously calling her old, has been, everything else in the book. And you know here's story it's very simple. Rosie was a loser before Barbara reinvented her career. Rosie failed on Broadway failed with a magazine and she got thrown off television. And believe me she got thrown off because the ratings were not good. A way to say Do you really believe that I believe she was very successful on TV. Well she was at the beginning. But Rosie will always self-destruct, Howard. She'll always self-destruct in the end she's a loser. And Rosie's ratings were down and they're going to throw her off. But the book is successful, right? It's on -- Its best-seller? I have no idea of it's successful or not. I mean, that I have no idea but, hey, it certainly gets a lot of publicity. Now I come out with a book on October 15th and I am going to make a wager that my book sells much more than Rosie's Your books are very popular. Now, who are you wagering with? Who are you going to wager with? Well, I would wager with Rosie but I don't know there's probably nobody to talk to and I'm not necessarily -- That would be good. I was willing to wager something that my book outsells her by hers by a lot. But listen you both get invited to a lot of celebrity events and movie premieres is stuff it is feasible that sometime in the near future you will be at an event and run into her. I mean you'll be staring at her face to face. What would you do? It all started -- You know she came to my wedding. Do you think you could beat her up? [Inaudible] I think will be close. She is pretty -- You know, she ever fell in the wrong direction I wouldn't have a chance. She came to your wedding? She came to my wedding. Which one? Marla. No kidding. She was at the wedding and I got extremely angry because she ate almost the entire wedding cake. You know I didn't get any wedding cake when I showed up. There was nothing left. You were at that wedding too, come to think of it. I don't remember her being there. You killed me at that wedding. I did, yeah. After the wedding yeah. You said, "There wasn't a dry eye in the house.""" I said it's not going to last more than three months, I was right. Well you were wrong. Lasted five years. Four months. But the problem was I was watching television with Marla. She wanted to make love and I wanted to watch television to see how much the press has gotten and now I turned on and the first thing I see is Howard saying he actually said, "There wasn't a wet eye in the house.""" That's it. That's what it was. I thought it was funny Marla started to cry. Then the second thing, he said, "I give it three months at best""" Yeah.Didn't go over well in that household, did it? It did go over well with me. Believe me. I thought it was funny I cracked up and she wasn't laughing. She didn't think it was funny at all. You even say that Rosie was at the wedding. Right. And not as my guest. Actually, she was more friendly with Marla. I don't even know why she was at the wedding. I don't think Marla even knew her. I don't know. For some reason she came to the wedding. It's funny that she was at the wedding and then you guys ended up being such enemies. Well I didn't even know she was an enemy until she attacked me over and over Tara Conner. I mean I had no idea she was an enemy. You also make an enemy out of Elisabeth Hasselbeck from The show The View as long as we're honest. You say she's the dumbest person on television I believe you're right. No I gain new respect for though because when she attacked Rosie they had that debate. Elisabeth Hasselbeck killed her. And I've always said Rosie is not a smart person. Rosie is somebody who is, you know it, was very sad because Barbara Walters put her back on television. Then she got into the fight with me and that's when the ratings went up I hate to say -- I'm not saying it on air. Who cares?. Right. But that's when the ratings went up had her ratings were no good. Her ratings were about the same as they were. They were going long and then december she hit me with this thing. I responded as everyone said don't respond but I do respond. I'm like you know you have to respond. Yes. We fight back and you fight back. You fight back, yes, I believe in that. And I do believe she was, she never attacked me. But let's say you know they've dug poll 91% are and my cap on the polls -- But it is feasible that you and Rosie will make up o -- Like I was always surprised that you let Imus off the hook. He said terrible things about you. You guys broke up as friends. In fact, I always was thrilled because you were on my show more and more and more. And but then you did go back and let them off the hook so to speak. Well, I don't remember him saying bad things about me, Howard/ Honestly. I mean, he may have, you're telling me he said bad things, I never knew that. He did, he did, he did. Of course, you did. Donald, you can not remember that. But what was the thing? You know what, I have a photographic memory. I don't remem -- I mean, you know, maybe he said something but basically, I don't remember him ever. Had I known that I would not have gone back. Yeah. You said to me. You said, "That fucking Imus is just go get on me. I hate to -- he's a beat of shit." I said that? Yes. Okay. I've [Inaudible] the show. You said he was talking bad about you. I didn't liked the last thing. Should Imus be re-employed? Well here's the thing with Imus, he said something which was you know not a good thing that he said. Right. But it's something that if you listen to rap record every rap record says the same thing. And Imus apologized. When you say 500 times? Yes. I think once is enough. You know, if you have to apologized. Let me ask you this. Why is there this clamor to have him back? He never got any ratings. His ratings are lower than anyone on radio. Including Curtis and Kuby who have no great ratings but they always beat Imus, and now he might, they say in the paper come back and replace Curtis and Kuby. You know he had a high level audience, he really did, Howard. I don't believe it. I saw the Scarborough report. Well, I don't know. I don't want to argue about -- I can tell you this. Imus had a high level audience. No. Every senator, every congressman, they listened to that show like it was a religion.I'm telling you. Listen to this. I'm telling you there's something called the Scarborough report on radio. It's a very expensive thing to buy. Right. And this Scarborough report tells you exactly who your audience is. And this guy had run around telling people that he had a wealthy audience a highly educated audience. You look at the Scarborough report, that's all it does, it doesn't tell you ratings it tells you who your audience is. You know who had the wealthy people and who had the people who at higher education. Right here. But it pained everyone to believe it. That's it Well, said I don't know. I can only say this he treated me nicely. I wouldn't do a show very often but when I get it once every three or four months it was you know it was fine. I always felt he had a very high-end audience and maybe I'm wrong. Who knows? Don't believe it. You're wrong. But I don't remember him attacking me. And if he did I wish you would have told me that a long time ago. I'm going to remind you of that. Now you're allowed to use the F -- word on your show. Yes, that's right. I would have told him to you know what. But I didn't know he was attacking me here. Let me hear you say the F-word. I don't believe I've ever heard that. Fuck. You do say fuck. Now I do say it. Do you talk dirty in bed when you're with Melania. No I don't. You've never say fuck my brain out. She's a very extraordinary person. [Inaudible] Would you ever use the word whore? Like in a sexual situation would you say come on whore give me something like that. She would never do that. She was, "Oh Donald I would never do that. How was the sex life post-baby? Because I always -- Very good. I worry about you. I mean I know you would be germ -- Why worry? Because when a woman becomes a mother -- Donald Trump likes young you know a hot chick. You can certainly get them. It's proven that and I worry that when a woman has a baby he loses interest. Really And I'm really asking in a genuine way They said -- You know they say as you get older the women stay the same. Yes they do say that. A very sad commentary, Robin, isn't it? I'm not saying that I say that because of course I don't say that, but I have a friend who does like women and he does well with women also. And he goes as I get older than all the women stays the same age and that's a sad commentary, you know he likes 25 and they never I mean he's getting older and older and the women are always 25. You know people will say that's immature. But wait a minute. But let's talk about Donald, you're generalizing. Are you having as much sexual Melania since the ba -- be honest. And I know you always are. Yeah you are. The answer is yes. More -- Now according to a show that I just watched, on Oprah, of all places. An expert said if you're not having sex four times a week you have trouble in your relationship. Wow! Are you having sex four times a week? That I can't comment on. But I'm very satisfied. Why can't you comment on that. A lot of people needs to know this. I don't want to have a front page story tomorrow. No. The story is that you're not [Inaudible] Every time I do your show I end up with a front page foreclosed story. And what I'm doing is, and Robin, you know this. I'm kidding. I'm kidding around I'm having fun. Right. But all of a sudden it ends up being like, front page. So, You can't even have any fun. If you were single right now -- I'll give you an example. You know that View? I did the View, right? Right. And it was terrible what they did. I did the view. And they were talking about Ivanka and I said, "Ivanka is so beautiful."" I said it. Laughing The audience was laughing everybody was laughing. I said Right. So they put out a press release -- "Trump wants to date his daughter""." I remember that. Oh, it's terrible. Personally I want to date your daughter. But you understand? Yes. It's bigger news that Donald [Inaudible] [Inaudible] Then they put that interview and then they put that slob Rosie on. Does your daughter have a boyfriend right now? She does. She does? Yeah.` Who is it. You like him. Nice guy. Very rich guy, very nice guy. What do you mean very rich? What does he do? He's a very rich guy. Much less money than me but he's a very rich guy. What does he do? It's a real estate family. And you approve? Yeah, he's a nice guy. I mean, you know, it's her choice. Other than you, I approve. Wow. And are you worth 8 billion right now? That is the figure I have in front of me that you -- I think so. Yeah Yeah. You're worth 8 billion. It depends. It depends on what things offer, but I think probably so. Yeah, 'round there. Nice. Nice. That's such a feeling of security. You used to know me when I was with nothing. I know. Howard, you know me years ago in 1990 when the markets crashed the world didn't crash. I had borrowed billions and billions of dollars. I was in deep crap and you know me when I was worth probably nothing I might have been worth less than nothing. Okay. And you never attacked me. Robin used to attack me but you never attacked. Not when you were down. Not when you were down. You actually Robin started attacking me on the way up. That's right. I liked that better. [Inaudible] Hey, Robin, that's more loyal. Do you think that you will stay with Melania even as she gets old? Oh, absolutely. You really do. Absolutely. You're in love. She's great. I don't believe it. You know, Howard, she's a great person. She's beautiful. She's solid. She is wonderful in every way. Is she next to you right now? I'd tell you what, she's an unbelievable mother. Is she next to you right now is that what you're saying? No, she's not actually. She's in the other room. Are you -- Where are you, in your apartment? I'm in my apartment. What are you wearing. Undies. Really? Yeah. What's Melania wearing? Nothing. She's nude right now? I think so. How's the body after the baby? Unbelievable. Just as tight? One of the best bodies I've ever seen. No stretch marks? No one of the best. You know about 15 seconds after the baby came she went back to the normal way. You demand that of her? No. Is that in your prenup? No but that's the way it worked out. I mean, she is in great shape. And what is -- Okay. Let me give you a hypothetical, Melania gets into a horrible car accident right. She now dies, she's on a respirator. Right. How long do you think you can wait until you started dating again? I probably never go out with another woman again. If you're single today, and I know you fantasize about stuff like this, who would you be dating? Who is the girl that right now captures your attention? There aren't too many of them. I'll tell you, I know you and I have discussed this over the years. The most beautiful women aren't the major celebrities because you know you can name like, you know, somebody told me Charlize Theron. Charlize Theron. I told you she's hot. Was -- was just voted the best looking woman. Yes. To be honest, I think Ivanka is much better looking than her. I agree. But I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this. I've seen her, she's not -- There are many unbelievably beautiful women around but they're not the big celebrities. You rarely see a big celebrity that's that beautiful. Why is that. Because they have to be smart. And it could be a major player. You know when you're successful at life like I know you know over the years I've known all the supermodels I've known everybody, they're beautiful but they're also very good. You don't get to be a supermodel by being a dummy. Right. You've got to play the game you got to be good in business. You got to know what's going on, you got to know life, you get you because there are a lot of really great beauties. But the greatest beauties aren't necessarily the most famous people. But what I do is I go out with the greatest beauties and then they become famous. Do you think it would have been hard for you if your daughter had been ugly like a big chubby kid like maybe you know, look like me? You know what I mean? I don't I mean I think it would have been a little different but, I mean I'm using I'm building a big building in Soho -- The Trump Soho it's called. Right. I'm using Ivanka and the ads as well, I have to pick a model you know, it's cheaper -- Right [Inaudible] But I'm using Ivanka and the ads. And the building is like through the roof, it's like this huge success. It's -- You know where it is -- By the tunnel and by the Holland Tunnel and all. And it's ah -- it's just going up now. It's 45 stories. There was some clamoring about it. 'Oh gee, it's too tall, it's too tall,' and I don't understand it considering 'the next tallest building in the air is about three stories. I don't know 'what they are complaining about [Inaudible] But now they want to stop tall buildings in that area. And I'm all for it. Yeah of course. No, no I'm all for it this way you have unobstructed views forever. In fact -- [Inaudible] I'll have to change but if they do that I'll immediately change my advertising There's a -- unobstructed views forever. In fact. [Inaudible] There's a rumor that ah, you once had an ugly child but you had the child killed. Oh. [Inaudible] Is that true? [Inaudible] No. That is not true, alright. No, that is not true. Now Donald Trump has done something I've been talking about for years -- Ah, and I have said this and Robin you've heard me say it. I said these beauty pageants are becoming a thing of the past Mm-hm. because they're not-I said, wouldn't it be interesting if they turned them into reality shows so that… Yes, you have said that. If, if you really knew the girls, if you could watch them -- You'd have a stake in it. You'd have a stake in it and I even say that with uh, I said that with football even and when they started that new league with Vince McMahon, I said -- Right. -- If, if you knew the players. So Donald Trump has created a new reality show. Pageant place.' Pageant Place -- On tonight at 10:30 on MTV. Now what is this ? Is this the three girls that live together? Ah -- It foll -- it follows the lives of -- Right. -- Miss Universe, Miss USA, Miss Teen USA. Donald Trump actually puts them all up in his apartment. Yeah. And ah, former ah, Miss USA, Miss Teen USA, ah is there -- Right. And they all live together. Tara. Tara Conner and they all live together. And fight together. Right. And, and kiss together. They do? Yeah They, they -- What do you mean kiss together? -- get along, they get along with each other? Well, part of you know ,Tara's thing. I mean, she was ah -- They say, she was having an affair with Miss Teen USA -- [Inaudible] Oh that's hot. and, Miss Teen USA is beautiful also. And you know [Inaudible] people are captivated by that. You know, it's sort of interesting. I, I don't know if you got to see the girl that couldn't answer the question on the map. Oh yes. Yes, we did. We love that. You know that's my deal, you know that's my thing. Everyone set that I set that up. I didn't. That's great. I wish I could promote like that. It wasn't even a hard question -- It was the biggest thing on the Internet in like six months. Mm-hm. That's true. Now, I'll tell you what -- her answer was amazing right? Yes, right. [Inaudible] They gave her like seven or eight passwords -- you know Iraq -- Is she retarded? They told that ah -- well, they gave her Iraq, they gave her education, they gave her South Africa. She took every password that they gave, in other words -- [Inaudible] You know little like keywords for the pageant, right? You know, 'make sure you mentioned Iraq and peace' and think, and she took every word they gave her, and then she, she wi-wielded it into this paragraph and nobody knew what the hell she said. [Inaudible] OK, but that's OK. It was a bad answer. Right. It's made her a lot of money by the way that answer -- But it's right. It was a bad answer. But why, did she have like 29 million hits which is more than anything including the war, including that -- you know that -- Coz she's hot. Coz she's beautiful. Because she's beautiful. It's fun to watch, it's fun to watch a hot woman be a millionaire By the way That girl isn't hot. She's one of the most beautiful human beings I've ever seen. And, what happened? She's 18 years old and she-. you have to say standing there, in fact David Letterman did something which was funny, they played it and she was so beautiful they said, 'let's play it again.' I thought the answer was absolutely fun. [Inaudible] It was actually Very funny. You know let's play it twice -- But it was so amazing because her beauty was so incredible and yet the answer was like people saying, 'what did she say?' It didn't make any difference because she is so beautiful. Now, she is an 11, if you'll. I mean, Charlize Theron is again -- if, if you sign -- Right. -- them together. You would go for the, the, the girl, the the less famous girl-. Yeah, let's put it this way. You wouldn't even think about it. Right. It wouldn't be-. It's not even a contest. That's what I mean about people that are famous or not. But you know in the old days you would have been tagging her. That's the crazy thing. Well, in the old days of cour-- Believe me I would have been -- I wouldn't be talking to you right now. Right. You'd be, you'd be all over. All over. So, this kid is gorgeous. If Melania got fat -- No, shit-but let, let me jus -- -- would you be with her? If this girl weren't an 11, if she were seven or eight -- Yes Or, nine? Nobody would have cared. So that's -- Right. -- the answer You're absolutely -- You know what? -- right. -- they get bad answers all the time. I mean they get bad answers. I've never heard one quite like that I guess, but they -- [Inaudible] they give bad answers all the time And your point is with this new reality show, 'Pageant Place' on MTV tonight. Right. Is that, you are going to see a lot of hot chicks doing a lot of dumb things. Well, I'll tell you what. I bought the Miss Universe pageant almost 10 years ago. Right. And a lot of people wanted it but I got it. And, I took a pageant which is a concept that you people used to say, 'Oh you can't make with pageant,' and look at Miss America. They were off the air and I just got renewed on NBC for three years with the Miss Universe and the Miss USA pageant. So, I, you know they just renewed it for three more years because -- Right. -- I have very good ratings. [Inaudible] I took the pageants and made them hot. But, about two years ago, three years ago, you know I have an obligation to do this, Howard. I go backstage and I have to go through the dressing rooms of the girls -- I feel bad for you. -- And I have an obligation. You know, if anybody else did that, they'd be considered a terrible person. When I do it, I'm considered the owner and I have an obligation to make sure the rooms are clean, and everything' is -- Right. [Inaudible] I walk through and I see all these girls like an hour and a half before the pageant starts and you'll get to see some of that in this whole thing, and I see they are fighting and they're pushing each other and that, they are mean Really? Oh, it's terrible. It's great. They're fighting for like, like they have certain stylists and people that do the hair you know. And that's probably more interesting than the actual pageant. Absolutely. I tell you what, I said this would make a great reality show. This, happened like three, four years ago. I said that and I put together a group and I, I went to -- I tell you what, MTV is doing it. But everybody wanted it and we came up with a great name, 'Pageant Place' and basically, it's the lives of these girls. Now, it's going to get better as it goes along because we didn't cover that much because we, you know. we didn't really do the idea until sort of after the pageant [Inaudible] but next year we're going to have ah, you know running like two weeks before the pageant comes and it's, it's going to be even more unbelievable. But this -- This -- The show is unbelievable. The fighting, they're fighting -- We're going to tune in, I, I will definitely -- Yeah. -- watch it. Let me ask you one last thing here. Are you e-- Mark Cuban is a billionaire who is a, you know, he, he always tries to be like you. Ah he is on 'Dancing With The Stars.' Do you watch that? -- Because you have a rivalry with him that ah, do you watch it? Well, I haven't watched it but actually, I, I, I have seen him dance and he's not bad. I, would, you would never do something like that though. No, I wouldn't do it. Is it demeaning to do some-- They would love to have me do it all that. Of course, but -- No, I wouldn't do it. But but you know I know Mark Cuban a little bit, and Mark's a loser. [Inaudible] Mark is a guy. Well he went dancing with a surgery -- [Inaudible] I don't think he'll win. No, he won't win, but but but he's a better dancer than I would have thought. Why is he a loser? It seems like he's a wealthy man. Here's, here's what happens with Mark. Mark. It just seems-. In fact, I use him as an example, if he c-- you know I give speeches and 45,000 people show up for the Learning Annex and I use him sometimes as an example. I say, if Mark Cuban can eh-- can make money, anybody can. [Inaudible] Right. You just have to know a certain system. I mean, Mark is somebody that should have won the playoffs last year and, and got blown out. Should've won the year before it le-- the year before it was over. I mean he should have won and he got a blow and a--. He devotes so much time so much money to everything and it just doesn't work. What is he worth? He's, he's, I'd say he's worth -- I'd say he's worth a billion dollars. A billion. Yeah. So that's not even in your category. No, he's not as wealthy as I am, no. But that's not the, that's not the point. What happened is very simple. I did 'The Apprentice,' it became the number one show on television. Right, and he imitated you. A monster -- It just got renewed for two more years, by the way. We'd start shooting next week. But, but it's, it's like this monster show 'The Apprentice,' right? Right. And he would say nice things about me and something nobody knows. He lives in one of my buildings in New York, I don't know if you know that enough. No, I didn't know that Yeah, he lives in -- when he's in New York, he lives in one of my buildings. He has an apartment in one of my buildings. It's got Trump on it. Trump all over the place. [Inaudible] But Mark was very nice and he'd say good things about Trump, 'Trump's smart, Trump the--,' you know that was fine. And then he does the show and some guy said like a month before a show went on. 'You can't be nice to Trump, you've got to attack Trump.' Uh-uh So he starts attacking me. He doesn't want to shake hands with people, starts you know whatever he could think of. He could he'd say and he'd start truly attacking me and I said, 'wow that's terrible.' Well he attacked me, just like Rosie attacked me and I attacked back [Inaudible] and his show went on. And it was the worst piece of crap -- [Inaudible] He was terrible on it. Right. Ah, and it got no ratings and they threw him off the air. And now he's trying to do something else. Now this isn't his show. But I will say I think he dances pretty well, not bad. Well I mean, when I look at Wayne Newton pull a Wayne Newton, I, I felt so sorry -- They should put him in a box, let me think he's ready to go. And I felt, what happened? Well -- what has happnened? Could I ask you what happened the way, is that plastic surgery or what? Yes, she's she's Yes, obviously. Well, will that happened to us too, Howie? No I'm not going to put -- I've made a decision in my life. I am not pulling -- [As if to say] normal. I'm going to be normal. No, I -- I am not gonna pull my face back -- Has Donald ever gone anything? These people with plastic, I have it -- these people with plastic surgery, you know you walk into some of these clubs, you go into like, I'll go into a, a nightclub or a big restaurant or something [way] -- and you'll see some of these people with a plastic surgery and [Inaudible] all you do is say. 'Oh, hi.' And you just look at them you say, they had plastic surgery. That's right. What is -- [Inaudible] What's the purpose of it? Well look at this, some of -- You know the thing I don't understand. Look at the like, Clint Eastwood I think he's even done it now. Oh no. Yeah I think -- I hope not. I think so. I love Clint Eastwood. I hope he has it. You know the worst thing though on women? It's the pumped lips. Yes. Yeah. I never see it, it's never been done well. Can you imagine how painful that must be? But, but I don't get the pumped lips, of all the things Robin. You don't do that to you. Of course not! Good Robin is perfect. Of all the things, of all the things I don't understand the pumped lips. They. Look. Terrible. Yes. The worst. Well they all want to look like Angelina Jolie. Oh. She's got that nice. Well, I don't understand either because I don't think she's good looking. Well, she's ruined her looks, has she not? With the dieting? I don't know what it is. I never thought she was good looking. Sh-- but do you -- I don't, I don't think she's got good skin. I don't think she's got a great face. I think her lips are too big to be honest with you. You know they look like too big. Yeah I, I don't think she's good looking. And you know it's funny, you talk about a transformation. Now the United Nations is honoring her as this great wonder. I remember three years ago she was frenching her brother at the Academy Awards -- That's right. Where she was walking in with Billy Bob the next day, she's walking in with Billy Bob. And she was saying she just he just got screwed and all the way up -- Now she's saving the world. That's right. And now they're saying, she's a lady of the, of the peace. She's a -- I mean give me a break. But I never thought she was good looking. Well I'm surprised to hear you say that, that's what I want to say, but she was good looking but now she's lost too much weight. Well I don't think she is good looking at all. Well look, we could talk all day. No, I think she's a solid, a solid seven. A seven? Yeah, she's a seven, but a seven is not a 10. Who is a 10 right now? Uhm, Ivanka. Right. I think uhm, let's see -- a 10. There are very few of them around. See, you can't even think of one. Well I happen to think Paris is a very good looking girl for getting it -- No, she not a 10. No, no I I don't know. But she's very different looking, I think Paris is a good looking girl. I think she's good looking but she -- Uhm, I mean there are you know, there are a lot of -- 10s are very very hard to find. Well, who's has solid nine? Well I'd have to think about it, Roberts -- [Inaudible] -- because you know I'd really have to go through my list. [Inaudible] Is Britney Spears is mentally ill? It's a sad thing. You know, she's worked for me many times. Right And, in our heyday like two, four years ago. And you know if I had Britney Spears perform, I'd have kids come from all over the world -- She was like a goddess. Right. And that was when she was saying, she was a virgin, that she was this, and she was so cute. And I remember I was in an audience at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, and she was performing and I was in the fourth row, and she was sweating and looked beautiful and she threw her hat, right? Now normally of a performer throws a hat and it's sweaty and wet and everything, I'd have no interest in it. Right. Right? But I grab that sucker -- [Inaudible] Yeah. -- right, it didn't bother me. Right [Inaudible] Meaning, you know what I'm saying. I'm saying, you're saying -- I know what you're saying. -- She's so cute. No, she was so cute and wholesome and nice. You weren't even afraid of her germs? [Inaudible] I wasn't even afraid of those germs. Today, if she threw it, I'd say 'get that sucker out of here.' Will Joe Tari be fired from the Yankees? Well I hope not. But you know, he'd might be better -- Yes or no? Will he be fired? Uhm, I think probably. But it's too bad. He's a great guy. He's a great -- he's a friend of mine. Donald Trump has done it again and he'd got yet another television show. Yeah. Ah, who will be the next president? Well it's going to be between Rudy and Hillary, in my opinion. Who's going to be the next president? I, I don't know. it's going to be a very tough race. Who will you vote for? Rudy or Hillary? Alright Howard, I, I don't want to comment yet because they're both very good friends of mine. I don't have to comment. It's a tough decision, isn't it? Well they're both very, very good friends of mine. I'm going for Rudy if it's the, it's between the two. Well Rudy is a great guy and he's a fantastic loyal guy who has done an amazing job. I mean they're both great people, Howard -- Well let me ask you, Donald. Who's better for business? [Inaudible] Well, you know it's very interesting with Democrats. Democrats get it and business does very well although in theory, they're not good for business. Who's going to keep taxes lower? Probably Rudy. But Hillary says she's going to tax the rich. That would be you. Yeah, I mean you know. OK. I'm here. Watch Donald Trump's show 'Pageant Place' premiering tonight at 10:30 on MTV. Ah, this is where girls who live together in Donald Trump's apartment -- Beautiful girls. -- one of his apartments -- beautiful hot chicks and they are beautiful, I've seen them. He wouldn't put any slouches on them -- No slouches. They are seriously beautiful. If anything, if any of them are shown, to show any signs of ugliness or aging, they're off the show. They get terminated immediately. [Inaudible] Who's that? How old is the oldest woman you've ever been with? Uhm -- I'm saying this for a point to show you people who will kind of stand a chance. I'm with a woman who's 35. 35? Yeah. [Inaudible] Melania. Would you think you'd be with her when she's 40? Oh yes I think so. I have no doubt, Howard. Ivana was-How old was she when you got divorced? Well -- [Inaudible] That's an interesting question -- That really is I would say probably, about 35. Really? Yeah. Ohhhh. Do have the best pre-nup in the business? I have a great one, yeah. Great, it's-- What does it mean? If Melania and you should split up, God forbid eh-- It'll tax dollars. She gets nothing. Nay. But, but I would never have to use it. Do you give her every 10 million? Ah, I can't talk about what I give her. But you know it's fun. But but -- Would it be in the r-- range of 10 million? I have no doubt. In fact I talk you know I'm doing a book called 'Think Big.' It's, it's a whole big thing it's called 'Think Big and Kick Ass,' and it comes out on October 15th. They let you use that title? But wait a second. Would you -- Yeah and I talk about the prenup. Alright, in the prenup. You're a man worth let's say a million dollars depending on what day it is. Right. It changes rapidly. I mean what how-- what is a fair amount of money? You've been married you had a kid with her, is 10 million the right amount? -- Is it five million? It would be fine. Yeah. 10 is fine? Five is better though and one is even better. Oh my God, Donald -- I remember I was reading -- [Inaudible] -- Fortune magazine -- One is big, you would leave your ex-wife with one million dollars? Ah! Of course he would. [Inaudible] Absolutely. The real man. I wouldn't even think about that -- But listen to this -- Oh my goodness -- I was reading, I think it was Fortune but, but a couple of years ago, they they did stories on really rich people and how they getting killed in divorces, you know guy works his ass off and a woman cooks the dinner and -- Right. -- she gets you know a billion dollars right? Right. So anyway, so they're doing the story, now I'll never forget that the list of really rich people and I was the richest guy on the list they had me at X dollars and they, they had like McCaw, did you ever hear of McCaw, this phone guy and they said Yeah. They said he's worth 1.9 billion. Wendy is his wife. I never heard of it but I remember the name because I have a good memory, I remember names [Inaudible] and she got like 900 million. [Inaudible] Wow. And they went down this list and you know all these guys -- He's worth a billion, she gets 500. And another, guess what too -- They had me at 2.9 billion and they had Marla Maples one million dollars. Wow. Right. Now, it was just a chart. It was a story in divorce and they didn't mention it in the story. Nothing, it was just a chart. I got more phone calls of genius on that call. [Laughs] Yeah well I mean seriously -- I'd have more calls, seriously Howard I got more friends of my [Inaudible]. You are a genius, what. So Melania gets a million dollars if she, ah -- No, no, no. She gets whatever she gets. But I'm just -- Tell me what she gets, I wanna know. Well, I -- Tell me what she gets.I wanna know. I won't tell you, but -- Why. I will tell you this, Howard, she'd be very, but she'd be very unhappy because she's losing me. She loves me. Losing you would be the biggest loss for her. Losing me would be a major [Inaudible] Yeah. That's devastating we understand that. That's right. She loves me. People love me, they love me like they love Howard. For the same reason because we're whackers. Didn't you hold a fundraiser for Giuliani. Yes. Do you hold a fundraiser for Clinton as well? I did. You did. I'd like her to win in the Democratic side, Rudy to win in the Republic side. I agree with you. We're 100% in a -- in a -- Sync? In sync. And I have to, you know, make a decision, because you have to go -- But -- but they're both great people, Howard. They are. They're both very good. I happen think so. I think -- I think they're both going to win. And then it's going to be interesting to see what happens. Listen. We can do this all day. I do say this, Howard, if Rudy stays on his issue of the war He's in trouble? He can't win No. He can't win the election. I agree with him. Anybody who supports the war even vaguely or remotely is going to lose the election. I believe that too. How about the talk about Iran now and that being the next war front. That's different. That's a whole 'nother issue. That's a different issue. But I'm just saying, Iraq we should never been in there in the first place this guy for terrorists you know now that they're now -- it's a breeding camp for them. Bush is the worst president in the history of the United States. Absolutely. It's a total disaster. That's right. He doesn't know what he's doing. Yup. I really don't think he has much of an IQ. I can't imagine he has any IQ at all. He's the worst president in the history of the United States, he's a disaster. Absolutely. And anybody that stays in Iraq or even -- Look what happened to McCain. He wants to show how tough he is. He goes in, you know, with a war He sunk. and immediately, and that's where the Republicans. Yup. Right. Republicans and Democrats. Those are people that are hoax and people that believe in the war stuff and they don't even want to vote. You're absolutely 100% right. That's the story. And I would tell you if you were wrong. Watche Donald Trump show, Pageant Place, it premieres tonight at 10:30 on MTV. Here's the formula. Hot chicks all being dopey with one another. In one apartment. In one apartment and scantily clad, I assume. That's the formula that's worked over the years, Howard. There is no other formula. That's the formula. That's the one -- that's the one tried and true -- They've tried others. [Inaudible] I tried others. That's the only one that seems to work for me. Good looking girls. Lots of sex. Lots of action. It works. Best of luck with the show. Excellent. Best of luck with the show. Have a good time. All right. The great Donald Trump. Bye. There you go. All right. That's a fun interview. See what I mean? He [Inaudible] roll with that. I like that. He's good. I give him his own show right here. He's a great guy. Give him a fucking show Artie.