[Playboy published additional excerpts of their 2004 interview between David Hochman and Donald Trump on November 2nd. Though as a policy we do not include edited transcripts, it is indicated more than once that the published additional, verbatim, question-and-answer pairs. However, please bear in mind the full interview end-to-end has not been published.] [The article is available here: https://www.playboy.com/read/the-trump-transcript] I know everyone says you're a great promoter. What's the value of promoting and telling everyone things that people know? Promotion is very [benefiting]. So often, somebody will call from a television station who's doing a big show -- 20/20 or 60 Minutes or Dateline -- and they're like, "Do you want to do it?" Of course I'll do it, because if I take an ad in the show, it's going to cost me a half a million dollars if I took that kind of time -- or more. I get it for free. And the ads -- people turn them off to a large extent, as opposed to a show, which is unbelievable. So having the ability to promote is just a great thing. Again, I think building is my greatest asset and not promoting. [Break in interview transcript] Does it hurt you when people don't like you? No, it doesn't hurt me. They like me in a certain way, because when people wanted me to run for president, the only reason they wanted me to run was because I had high poll numbers. So in a certain way they liked me. I think they didn't like me as much as they respected me. They did respect me, and now I think there is that but they also like me better and that's because of the power of having a big show on television. [Break in interview transcript] Any strange hobbies that nobody knows about, other than golf? No, I really don't. I'm really into that. I was the captain of my baseball team. I was the captain of everything. If there was a sport, I was the captain of the team. I was always the best athlete. That's something that people don't know about me -- that I was an athlete. [At this point, Donald Trump picks up the phone phone] Eric, how are you doing, babe? What's up? All right. Wow. Hey, that's fantastic. Good job, Eric. This is good training for you. Well, you've got to call Donnie and tell him that because we're paying for the architecture in Chicago, you know? Right. When is he going to meet with you in Bedminster? That's fantastic. That is great. All right. That's great. Good, honey. Well you have somebody to work with now that you can really relate to, right? Fantastic. That's really fantastic. Good. I'm proud of you. Get back here and get it going. Good building, okay? Okay, honey. Bye. [Phone call ends] Okay, go ahead. [Break in interview transcript] I was in a restaurant the other day where a man came up to me who had just come out of the bathroom, and he wants to shake my hand. He's a fan. "Oh, Mr. Trump, could I shake your hand, sir?" It's so rude, and yet I had a choice. Do I shake his hand and make him happy? He wasn't doing it as a bad person. He's doing it as a fan of mine. Do I shake his hand and make him happy, or do I refuse to shake his hand and for the next 30 years he'll be saying, "That guy is no good." I shook his hand, and the one benefit to it is that I didn't eat any more of my dinner. And that's okay because I lost a little weight. It's not the worst thing in the world. Leaving some on the plate is not so bad. But it's disgusting. Who knows where that hand has been? Do you carry that Purell stuff? No, I carry -- Not Purell. I carry something else, but it's -- Antibacterial? Yeah, and supposedly it's good. Who knows? At least it makes you feel better. [Break in interview transcript] What hurts you? Look, I look at life and, sadly, life is what you do while you're waiting to die. From the time you're born, you're here for an instant. When you look at -- They found Neanderthal man two billion years ago. When you think of time, we're here for a speck. If you live to be 100 years old, it's just a millisecond in the overall scope of things. You realize that. You realize that nothing is really so earth-shattering, nothing is really so important. You realize that you live a life, you live a good life, enjoy it, have a lot of fun -- which I do -- and you're only going to be here for a short time. On God ... You said yesterday that [ex-wife] Marla [Maples] might have been a little too spiritual for you. Do you believe in God? Yes. Marla is very spiritual and a very good person, but a little bit too spiritual for me. Mine -- I'm much more grounded. I don't knock the spirituality. I think it's great, but it was too much for me. But she's a very spiritual person. What's your sense of God? I believe in God. I think that there's got to be something, because I can't believe we're doing this all for no reason. Do you pray? Probably not as much as I used to. I've seen too much negativity. When you see a church collapse and 300 children killed, you would think that couldn't happen. That bothers me. Now maybe that's the test that ministers and priests [inaudible]. Or when you see people blown to pieces in a temple, you say, "How can that happen in a temple? Wouldn't we be protected here?" Maybe there's just a much higher calling. I don't know, but I do believe in God. Sometimes when you see what's going on in the world, it's not the easiest thing to believe. [Break in interview transcript] What's kept you from [drinking, smoking, doing drugs and drinking coffee]? I had a brother named Fred, who was a great brother and a great guy and a very handsome guy. He was the life of a party, and he was a drinker. He became an alcoholic and died of alcoholism. He also smoked a lot, and he was 10 years older than me. He would lecture me constantly about not drinking and not smoking because he had a problem. He knew he had the problem, and he used to say, "I will absolutely come down on you if I ever see you drinking or smoking." And it just had an impact because at a fairly young age I saw what it was doing to him. There was no better looking guy than him. There was no better personality than him. He had the best personality of anybody. Alcohol got him. I've seen it with a lot of my friends. I have a friend who is a highly respected guy, who you would know. And I didn't know he had a problem with alcohol, but recently they were at a party and we literally carried this man out of the party. He was so drunk that he couldn't even move. To be honest with you, when I saw that, I don't have the same respect for him as I had for him before. Is there any way you can stop somebody like that? Is there any way you could have stopped your brother from doing what he did? No. I hear all about the clinics and I hear all about everything. I see currently alcohol is all around me -- so many people, people that are very close to me. I have never seen people stop. They don't. I know there are cases where people are able to stop. I know I read about the Betty Ford Clinic and all of this, but it just seems that they just relapse. Unless you stop early and before it's too late, I just don't see people being able to stop. It just shows you the power of that drug. The cigarette companies have taken a tremendous beating, and rightfully so, in the courts. I think that's great, but I don't understand why the alcohol companies aren't sued the same way the cigarette companies are, because alcohol killed my brother and killed many of my friends. Even worse, alcohol kills people that are outside -- drunken drivers have killed innocent children walking across the street. Drunk drivers hit them and they don't even know what's happening, so they kill people other than themselves. If they kill themselves, that's one thing. But they kill many people other than themselves and I don't understand why the warriors haven't gone after the alcohol companies the way they have the cigarette companies. I don't get it, because it's far worse than cigarettes and cigarettes are bad. When your brother died, did you go through that feeling of, What could I have done differently? I've always had that, but my brother suffered tremendously the last couple of years in his life because the alcohol was just eating his body away. And were you in constant touch with him? Yeah, he was living with us at the time. There was nothing you could have done. He was so much better off passing away, because he suffered serious effects of alcohol and, to a lesser degree, smoking too. He would smoke two packs a day, three packs a day. He was a smoker and an alcoholic and he suffered greatly with it. Alcohol is just a terrible thing. But then you take the extension of that -- drugs -- and, of course, I view them as the same thing. I think alcohol and drugs are really the same thing. If they ever get rid of that ridiculous rule in Congress where you have to be born here, I think [Arnold Schwarzenegger] would be a great president. [Break in interview transcript] Do you sympathize with Martha Stewart? Yes. I think Martha made a tragic mistake when she didn't testify. I watched the jury come out of the chambers, and those people were having such a good time. They were so happy to have their 15 minutes of fame. I'm not sure that anything could have convinced them. They were so loving it. So I don't know. If she would have testified, maybe that wouldn't have made a difference. I was doing the Larry King show the day before the jury came back, and I told Larry, "I believe that Martha made a tragic mistake in not testifying." And the next day the jury came down and she was guilty. Now, assuming I read the jury wrong and they were looking to do the right thing, which I'm not sure I can believe after watching how much fun they were having. But, assuming that I read the jury wrong, Martha just had to tell them that she wasn't guilty. I just can't believe her lawyers would not have asked her to get on the stand. Then to be screwed by her friend, who traveled with her, probably paid for by Martha and everything else, it's just inconceivable what happened to her. It's just a very sad thing that it happened -- the destruction of a great woman and a great life. I agree, she probably handled it very badly. I don't think it was the act. I think it was the way she tried to get out of the act or define what happened. The Martha Stewart case is a very sad situation, but I really believe that it was just devastating that she didn't testify. Nobody likes to testify or anything like that. You know your life is on the line and all, and it's a lot easier if you can just say, "Oh, good, I don't have to testify." I just think in her case -- I thought it was a very bad thing when Mike Tyson testified. In fact, he was going to be exonerated by the jury. They were going to exonerate Mike Tyson until he testified, but it's different. Mike is a fighter who is not a professional person other than at fighting, and Martha is a highly sophisticated woman who I think would have testified very well and nicely. Not that it's something she wanted to do, but she had to do it. As soon as they announced, shockingly -- and even the jury was shocked. They couldn't believe it, they were gasping. They couldn't believe that she wasn't going to testify. Because if they were legit -- when I say legit, if they were looking to do the right thing -- then they really would have wanted to have heard her testify and at least say, "I'm innocent." There's nobody who said she was innocent. Even her friend said she was guilty, so what did she have to lose at that point in life? So when I heard she wasn't testifying, I said, "She's absolutely going to be convicted." I think the jury really had no choice. [Break in interview transcript] Were you surprised to see Governor Schwarzenegger do as well as he's doing? No. I know Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's a friend of mine. I had dinner with him recently, and he's a very smart, strong guy who -- I have a lot of property in California all of a sudden, and I am so happy that he's the governor. He's a fantastic guy who is going to be a great governor who, frankly, if they ever get rid of that ridiculous rule in Congress where you have to be born here, I think would be president and I think he would be a great president. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a man who is very smart, but also has great common sense. One of the reasons that California is all coming together is that he's used his common sense. Also, he doesn't stop. He doesn't give up. He'll never, ever give up. That's why he was so successful prior to being governor.