[A cab driver told me,] I'm bothered by all this. I'm hearing about he's a racist. So it's a little – I asked him, how do you decide whether that's true? What would Trump have to do to show you that he's not? And the guy said -- he paused and he said, I don't know. He said, he has to show some love. So I want to throw that at you as a question of -- I mean, it's one of these [Crosstalk] -- I understand what he said. -- you can't crawl back from, right? It gets out there. It's in the sewer system. How do you counter that? How do you disprove a word like that? Well, I am not a racist. And you know, I'm the least racist person that you've ever interviewed to put it a different way. I'll give you an example. It's funny. I just got this. It was just sent to me - Don King, okay? Now, Don knows more about racism than anybody. Look, he owns this newspaper. You know, Don's made a lot of money. And he just sent this to me. Look at this. It's his newspaper. Isn't that funny? It's great. And Don King endorsed me. You guys, I don't know if you want to take that back with you. Yeah, sure. This could be a story. This just came out. He just delivered it to my office. But that one page is -- that's the rest of the newspaper. But look at the one page at the back with Bernie Sanders. Yeah. Isn't that funny? It's great. He endorsed Trump for president, Bernie Sanders. There's Don King. Now, Don King knows racism probably better than anybody. He's not endorsing a racist, okay. You want to use it? You can have the story. It just came out. I just got it ten minutes ago. I don't know, whatever. But are you concerned? People will have this impression. How do you fight against it? I'm not concerned. And actually, I'm not concerned because I don't think people believe it. And you know, it's just something that -- who was this taxi cab, was he African-American or was he --? No. I think he was a Pakistani. I see. I don't believe that people believe it. And it's something that has never been -- you know, only at a political campaign would people say things like that. But Bill Clinton was called a racist by Obama, okay? And I don't believe he's a racist. But he's called and I'm telling you that. I mean but he was called a racist by Obama and very loudly and very strongly. And to this day, Clinton, he is haunted by that. He hated that. And I do, too. But I don't think people believe Clinton is a racist. I don't think they believe that I'm a racist. Remember that episode? It's very serious. Hi. How are you doing? Hi. How is it going? This is Ivanka and Don. The Washington Post. [Crosstalk] Ivanka. Nice to see you. [Crosstalk] How are you doing? The kids okay? Everything is good. Yeah. Obviously, this will come out or not? I just got the endorsement of Don King. Oh, wow. Interesting. He sent me two of these things. Don King for president and Bernie Sanders -- it's sort of funny. Look. Oh my gosh. His newspaper. He owns a newspaper, so Mohammad Ali. A dream team, uh-huh. Huh? Dream team. He calls it the dream team. Amazing. Only Don King, Big Don. So anyway, I'll be here for a little while, honey. Then I'll see you. Awesome. We'll come back. Yeah. We'll come back. See you later. One thing I get a lot of credit for is my children. They're good children. And they've been smart. They went to great schools. Always got top of the line marks, grades. And they're good kids. Many people have come to me and say, could you see my children and talk to them? And I tell them, no drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes. I tell them this living standard. But because it's put people at such a disadvantage -- such an unbelievable disadvantage. But you just saw my two kids come in so they'll come back later. I don't know if you saw the piece that we did on your sons where they talked to one of our reporters. And they talked about being brought up by you. And they both made the same observation which was that in the early years, you were busy with your business, you were a little distant. And then later, you had become much closer particularly as they became of age to spend time with you in the office and doing work. That's true. The business I already have that [sounds like]. I mean I love my children but I got to know my children much better after they graduated from college in a sense because they came to work here. And was it like that with your father as well? Was he that way? No. I had a great father. My father and I were like very close. We had a very, very close relationship. He was like me in the sense that he was business oriented. His life was business and he loved business. But I don't think of it that way. I don't think of a divide like that. I didn't see him. I know I had that article that was written. I heard it was a nice article. I'm going to see it, I'll be reading it. Honestly, if I would -- look, this came out. This is The New York Times Magazine, the cover. If I read everyone three-fourth a day, if I read everyone in the [indiscernible] but if I read everyone, I wouldn't have time. But I don't think of the divide of, you know, boom, 21, you graduate from college and you go to work. Because I just had a very good relationship with my parents, like extraordinary actually. Would you describe them as warm or as distant? Okay. My mother was very warm and a very loving mother. My father was equally loving but a little more business-like. And my mother had a great sense of pageantry. She had a great sense of glamour. She's beautiful as a woman. She was very beautiful but she had a great sense of pageantry and glamour. My father wasn't into that as much. So maybe I've gotten a combination of them. But he wasn't into those. But they were both great. I had great parents. I had great parents. So we'll arrange around [indiscernible]. A couple of father questions. Yeah. Okay. So because we're doing the book, it's just very small. So I'm trying to get a few quick questions. I know time will be limited. We got so many things we need to ask you. So I was trying to check a few things. Your father, was his region originally -- what was his religion? Protestant. Protestant. Was he Lutheran or what was it exactly? He was Presbyterian. I know he was later. Yeah, later he was Presbyterian. I think possibly Lutheran. Possibly Lutheran. Protestant for sure? Yes. Okay. Where did they take their honeymoon? In Niagara Falls. Niagara Falls? Okay. Because I've read in the south, in Atlantic City, I have not read Niagara Falls. No. They went to Niagara Falls. That's why I checked because what we've read elsewhere is the south. So, Niagara Falls, okay. They had a very good marriage. They were married for a long time, 60 something. But -- Were they tough disciplinarians? Did they believe in spanking? How did they handle it? Yeah. My mother was an unbelievable mother but she was strong. Warm, as I said before, but very strong. No, they never believed in spanking but they believed in threatening spanking. Does that make sense to you? Yeah. She would talk it but she wouldn't do it. And my father was less involved from that standpoint early on. It was really more my mother. But he was strong. But yeah, I think in a certain way, my mother was tougher on the children in terms of discipline than my father at the early stage which is interesting. I saw a video in which your father gave a talk after receiving the Horatio Alger Award. Right. Remember that day? I was there. You were there, I know, because he referred to you in being there. And in that talk, first of all, it was true for him. His father died young. Did that impact your father? Did that impact the family that your grandfather had died so young? Well, we never really knew him because my father was very young when he died. He died of pneumonia. And he went to Alaska. And he was hunting for gold. It was very interesting. And he died at a young age. And rather than doing gold, he actually -- I don't know, this was glamorous about him, I guess, maybe not. Not hotels -- not like what we're building in Washington, right? Right. By the way, I'm more than a year ahead of schedule. It will open in September. We'll have the grand opening in October something. And that hotel is going to be amazing. The Old Post Office, [indiscernible] about the Old Post Office. Right. I once worked across the street, as a matter of fact. Oh, really? It's great. I'd say the building is great. You see how nice that's [sounds like] looking? Your father was saying in that speech while accepting the award that talked about people who don't have passion amount to nothing. That's true. When you were growing up, were you told that and did you have a concern that you might not meet your father's expectations, in other words, that you might be a nothing? No. My father never talked about success and he never talked about passion. And he wasn't a speaker. For instance, if he saw me speaking in front of 25,000 to 30,000 people all the time, he would be sort of like -- he wasn't something -- I remember so well the Horatio Alger Award where he wrote out something very specifically and he practiced it. And it was really a nice day in Brooklyn. It was in Brooklyn. I think a college in Brooklyn. But my father didn't talk it, but I learned from example. In other words, my father loved -- he was a worker. He's a hard worker. But he was a very content person. He was very happy and content. He had a wonderful wife. He had a good family. But he was a very content person. So he wouldn't say work, work, work. But I would see that he enjoyed what he did. And I learned that way not so much by his words but by his actions. So does that make sense to you? Uh-huh. So there was a day in 1976, he was down at Prince George's County, Maryland looking at a housing project. Do you know what I'm talking about? Prince George's, yeah. He was arrested. He was? You didn't know this? No. He was arrested. The bond was $1,000. There was a Washington Post reporter who works at The Post who wrote the story in '76. So I can show you that. My father was arrested? Your father was arrested. For what? It was a housing code violation matter. It was a $1,000 bond. He called someone in New York, I didn't know if it was you, that's the reason I was asking the question. If you don't remember this, obviously, it wasn't you. But he called someone at the company in '76. You were working there at the time to arrange for the $1,000. I never knew he was -- I never heard that at all. In Prince George's County, there was a housing development there. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, sure. And you worked there as a kid, I read. Yeah, I did. Well, it's a rough area. Yeah. This was not like it is today in terms of what I do. You know, he had some pretty tough jobs. Prince George's County was rough. What did you do in that development? Prince George's County was much different that it is right now which is rough. Well, I started out as -- I started out in '70 -- in 1970. Yeah, so I would have been there. Well, you said 1970 -- In '76 he was arrested. What did you do? What did you do at that housing development? This was lowincome housing. Well, I knew it very -- yeah, it was lowincome housing. I knew it very well. And I would go there with my father sometimes. And he bought it. It was bought at a distress sale which we like doing like Swifton Village in Cincinnati and other places which we really liked doing. But I never heard the story. Yeah, I was generally just -- I'd go there. I'd go there sometimes by myself and I say, "Pop, this is a rough piece of property here." That was dangerous. That was a dangerous territory. And we did fine with it. And we had it for quite a few years. We sold it ultimately, but that was a rough area. And were you collecting rent or -- Yeah, collecting rent. Just like you did at Trump Village sort of? Trump Village and Swifton Village in Cincinnati. Yeah. One New York Military question. You know when you collect rent -- and you may have heard this but you never stand in front of the door. And you always knock this way because you get bad things coming through that door like bad things. What was the worst thing that happened to you? Well, it didn't happen to me. But I'd be collecting rent and sometimes I'd be with rent collectors, you know, professional guys. Not bad people. But I noticed one of the first -- because my father's property, some of the properties were rough property. It wasn't what you read like so glamourized. Believe me, it was tough stuff. And these guys, they never stand by the door. And they knock on the door like this. And you get a lot of stuff coming through that door sometimes. It's tough stuff but this was a tough job, the Washington one. One New York Military Academy question, some of the classmates and others have told us there was kind of a hazing system where students would paddle the young ones when they commit infractions. Were you ever on either the receiving or giving end of that? No. I saw very little of that. I mean I think that's common in a lot of different places. But I saw very little of that. I have really good things to say. In fact, Major Dobias just died. Oh, did he? He died. He died yesterday. He was a wonderful guy. He was a coach. He was my coach. And he said wonderful things. He said I'm the best baseball player he has ever seen, that he had ever had, that he had ever coached. He coached a lot of good players, a lot of good teams. But he was a good guy. A tough guy. He was tough. But yeah, he died yesterday. Can you believe it? In his 90s wasn't it? Ninety-two or something. In one of your books, you wrote -- He fell and they found -- after he fell, they found that he had cancer. He fell and broke his leg. He went to the hospital. They found that he had cancer. In one of your books, you wrote that your father's death made you feel a new kind of responsibility or you have the responsibility to make the world a better place. Loneliness and responsibility, because I was really close to my father. So did that play a role at all in your decision to go into politics? Was that part of that same sense of responsibility? I don't think so. I think that -- I was very happy doing whatever he is doing. I mean, fellows, I was really happy doing what I was doing. The company is really good. It's doing really well. We have now 121 jobs all over the world under negotiation, like we're opening one up in Vancouver. Very shortly I'm going to probably go there during the campaign. We're opening a magnificent building in Vancouver, Canada. I've been focusing worldwide on different things. We have 121 jobs right now. I haven't counted three or four days ago. So many jobs and they're either under construction or under very good negotiations, and they're great jobs. If it's around here, like Turnberry is opening. Now I own a 100 percent of Turnberry. Turnberry is one of the great resorts of the world. Here's a thing that just came out. I shouldn't even show this to you. This is Golf Digest. They're talking about the most important courses in the world and they're talking about the [unintelligible]. Those are the British Open courses. This guy rates the British open courses as 14 out of 14 courses so these are the elite. So they go, Turnberry is rated number 3 after St. Andrews and then another one. So they go, "If it weren't for Donald Trump, who owns it, I would have ranked it number 1. I would have ranked Turnberry number 1. But dropping it further down the list beyond 3 would have given Trump too much credit." Now there's a guy that hates Trump. That's a hater. So he said, Turnberry would have been number 1, except that I own it. Now, how do you write that? Isn't that disgusting? So they rated it number 3. It's a backhanded compliment. Well, in one way, I don't know. I say, I'm not sure if I like that or don't like it, but I guess you can say that. Go ahead. When is your book coming up? August 23rd. It comes out? It comes out, yeah. So we've obviously talked to a lot of people who've worked with you and so on. I'm interested in your friendships over time. Is it difficult in your life to have very close friends that you had? Do you have people who you turn to with any self-doubts or your personal issues? Are there such people in your life? Well, it's an interesting question. Most of my friendships are business-related because those are the only people I meet. The people I meet really, I guess I could say socially when you go out to a charity event or something. For the most part the people I meet are people that are businessrelated. I think I have a lot of friends and some of the friends I haven't spoken to in many years. I have people that I haven't spoken to in years, but I think they're friends. But it just seems that most -- many of the people that I really know and deal with and get along with –- I mean I think I have a lot of friends but they're not friends like perhaps other people have friends where they're together all the time and they go out to dinner all the time. I have a lot of good relationships. Richard LeFrak is a good friend. Is there anyone right now in your life who you would turn to and tell the things about the campaign or your personal --? More of my family. And you saw two of them who just came in. I think, more of my family. Again, I have a lot of good friends. I have a lot of good relationships. I have good enemies too, which is okay. But I think more of my family than others. I have a very good relationship in my marriage with Melania. With my children, I get along with my children a lot. You and I have talked about Steve Hyde who was one of your closest business associates at the time. Yeah, you got it. We talked about the terrible helicopter crash. How does that affect you? Does that make you less likely to be close to someone given the way that this person vanished in an instant when you're so close? He worked for me and he was a very good guy. He was a Mormon. He used to give a lot of his money that he made to the Mormon Church. As I remember, we might have even paid it directly to the church. In other words, we paid X number of times. He was a great guy. The whole group – that group that went down, those were the -- To this day, it's one of the tragic days of your life, as we've discussed. Not only that, I was doing great in Atlantic City. Now in all fairness that whole world started to change. It just started to get a lot of competition. I would say the guys that took over the one place, there was Jack. We've talked about that. Who was not -- Since we're short on time, I know we've had this conversation -- Steve Hyde was really good at what he did. Some political questions, someone said who worked for you for years that you saw Nixon here frequently. Who was it? Someone who've worked for you told one of our reporters that -- Nixon? -- you saw Nixon frequently. I knew you'd seen Nixon but I didn't know if it was really frequently. I have seen him and I actually had dinner with him a couple of times, but not frequently. Not frequently? No. Is there some lesson you take [sounds like]? He wrote a letter to me that I just saw, if I could find it, it would be so amazing. This letter where Pat had seen you on a TV show and said –- Yes. Did you see the letter? We've either seen it or had it read to us. I can't remember now but we've had –- She said he'd be one of the great politicians and he wrote me that letter. Maybe you don't need it. No, we're quoting it, so if there's anything, any documentation you want to show us. Who read that letter? Somebody else said that, right? Who was it? I don't remember now from my head whether it was -– someone's name. I had it here. But someone who's familiar with that read it to us so it's definitely in the book. Let me ask you another political question. You mentioned fundraising. In 2001, Hillary was running for the U.S. Senate of New York. You had a fundraiser for the state Democratic Party in your apartment. It could be. Remember that? Right. She was there. Yeah. So you've helped raise money with her running for that. Did you vote for her for the U.S. Senate? Who was she running against? Rick Lazio. You have to understand that for the most part in New York, whoever gets the Democratic nomination wins. Did you vote for Hillary Clinton? I never say who I'm going to vote for, I never tell. I know. But I did have a fundraiser for the party at the time. I think you know and I've said it pretty loud and clear that I get along with all politicians. I felt it was an obligation to get along, including with the Clintons and including with a lot of other people. It was very important for me to get along with politicians in my business. Can you tell us briefly when did you first meet her? How many times would you have met? I know she went to your wedding obviously. We have the bare bones but I wonder if you could give us some insight. I would have said that I met them when they came to New York. I didn't meet him or know him when he was president. At all? No, not at all. I would have met them sometime after she decided to run for the Senate. I helped them out a little bit, but I helped out everybody. I was the king of getting along with politicians. You changed your registration five, six, or seven times according to your [Crosstalk]. Different things. Well, I was thinking about running at different points under different parties. I was a Democrat. I was thinking about heading a party called the Reform Party. The problem is in New York you have to go very early. You probably saw that. You have to go very early when you change if you're going to do something. I went to the Reform Party and then ultimately I went back to the Republican Party. I was viewing it from the standpoint of possibly running for office, possibly running for president. A lot of people want me to run for mayor so badly. I never really wanted to run for mayor, but they really wanted me to run for mayor. What do you say to someone who says, he's a chameleon? He changed his registration. He doesn't have a core set of beliefs where he would have stayed a Republican or Democrat [Crosstalk]. I think it had to do more with practicality because if you're going to run for office, you would have had to make friends. It's the Reform Party at the time. It was looking like it was good but after I checked it out, it wasn't so good. And then I changed it back to Republican. But I was thinking about running under the Reform Party. A little bit like Ross Perot did. For mayor, you backed the Democratic candidate, that was -- who lost. You backed the other Democratic person who won the primary and the Republican candidate was the one who actually won, Michael Bloomberg. I actually backed Bloomberg also and I backed Bloomberg after his first term. Once I get to know him, I backed him. Should he have run –- He's probably capable of something now, don't you think? I think it would have been very hard for him. I think it doesn't matter. I think there's more strength in what you're looking at now than people have any understanding of. Believe me, I think it would have been very hard for him. Just to get my facts straight. In the first race when Bloomberg ran, you backed a Democratic candidate but –- Who's the Democratic candidate? Green was the eventual candidate. There was the guy, a Hispanic candidate. I forgot his name at the top off my head, who you backed. I actually backed a Hispanic candidate. Right, exactly. You did. That person lost to Green. He lost to Green but I backed a Hispanic candidate. You did. Which tells you something. Okay. He was a very nice guy and a very good guy. He lost to Green. I will tell you that when we talk about endorsements, my [sic] endorsement of Bobby Knight was a powerful endorsement. The fact that Tom Brady liked me up in Massachusetts was certainly a great help because I got almost 50 percent in Massachusetts. But of all endorsements, when Rudy Giuliani backed Michael Bloomberg, Michael was losing by a great percentage to the Democrats. Meaning, it was very, very hard. Even with wealth, it was very hard for a Republican to win. But Rudy Giuliani was the mayor and after the World Trade Center came down, there was no more popular person than Rudy. When Rudy backed Michael Bloomberg, Michael went up ten points. This was a couple of days before the election. I always say, when people say endorsements don't mean anything, they're 99 percent correct. But this was an endorsement that made –- I don't know if you remember that. I've never seen anything like it. Michael won by four or five points from being down to –- it could have been a 15-point endorsement. Back to Hispanic, a very good guy who lost. I think he lost to Green actually. Yeah, he lost to Green in the primaries. Then after that I don't think I was involved. Then I actually backed Bloomberg after that. Let me take you back, you had expressed an interest at one point in buying the World Trade Center. I did. You met with Peter Goldmark from the Port Authority. I don't know if you remember that meeting, but the way it was told to us, you told him that you were interested in the property. That if you went to Governor Carey and said that quote, unquote, he wasn't interested, that there would be ramifications for him, that you would have his job or in some way. I don't talk that way. I really don't talk that way. I know that's probably an image, but I don't talk like that. I will say I had a good relationship with Governor Carey. He was a great guy. He was a great crisis person. He was unbelievable under crisis. What I did and maybe what you're talking about more is that I'm responsible for the Jacob Javits Convention Center. I'm totally responsible. I had the land under option from the Penn Central and they were trying to build a convention center opposite Hell's Kitchen, right on 44th Street on the other side of the West Side Highway, which was a problem by itself. You couldn't get across and all of this. They couldn't get their permits. Some things never change because you're building on the river. They spent millions – tens of millions of dollars and it was headed by a guy named Richard Ravitch, who was a highly overrated person, highly overrated. Ravitch fought like hell to have a convention center there and I was fighting for the site that I have because that was just a better site for New York. Governor Carey called a meeting and there were a hundred people that showed up. I led my team. Ravitch led his team. Ravitch worked for the city. I think he was the head of the MTA or something. He was working actually for the city or was like that. Governor Carey who was a great guy said, everybody else leave the room except for these two people. He said, Ravitch, make your case for 44th Street in the Hudson River and he made his case. He said, Donald, make your case and I made my case. I wasn't four minutes into it, he said, you win. It was easy. They bought the land. They took over my option. They bought the land. I was actually paid a commission which at the time was a lot of money but I didn't do it for that. The convention center which is right now there, the Jacob Javits Convention Center, that was my deal and, you know, a lot of people know that. I also renovated Grand Central Terminal as part of the Grand Hyatt Hotel. A lot of these things have been forgotten. Let me go back to another -- on that same era. But that was really the [indiscernible] story, not the World Trade Center. The World Trade Center, there was nothing there. I did look at the World Trade Center very seriously, however, when Larry Silverstein bought it, which was later on. I assume that's what you're talking about and I did look at it. Larry got it. He was a good professional, good guy. The whole episode with the Barbizon and the Central Park South apartments, there was a meeting during that period with Stephen Ifshin and Sheldon Cohen. Do you remember this? Ifshin was a -- Were they tenants? No, he was a real estate broker. Yeah. You're talking about 100 Central Park South? Yeah. There's a picture up here. Hold it. There it is right there, look. See that picture in New York Magazine? Yes, definitely had a story. Yeah. Did you ever see that? I don't remember that one. See the picture the picture of Michael up there? That was about that. Oh, okay. That was about that. It became a big publicity day in New York. So, the way Ifshin tells the story, he -- Who is he? He was a real estate broker. So he came in -- Did he live in the building or anything? No. But he said he came in to talk to you about selling those properties and he brought in a guy and Sheldon Cohen who was interested in you properties and you said, well, you told him you wanted 100 million and he said, "I can't do that. Ninety million." And the meeting, you said, no, I'm not doing that. And then Ifshin says he turned to you and said "You didn't want to sell the building. You just wanted to get an informal appraisal." It's true. It's true. I actually developed it. It was a great success. It's called Trump Parc. You know, sometimes, when people fight you, they give you great ideas and you make much more money. And what I was going to do, I had two buildings. I had the Barbizon and next to that, 100 Central Park South, which is what you're talking about. And I had rent control tenants in 100 Central. I still own the building. When somebody leaves, we fix up the apartment, sell it for millions of dollars. But what happened is I was going to rip both buildings down and do a big building, which would've been smaller than what they have in the site now because the zoning, it allowed fewer square feet. But I want to build a new building, great sight, Central Park South and Avenue of the Americas, right? So what happened is I had two buildings and couldn't make a deal with the tenants. Impossible. The thing went on for a long time. They were led by a group that was bad people. They would call the building inspectors. They would spray walls with water and then say that the apartment's leaking. I say nothing's leaking. They'd spray water on the wall. They were professionals because they wanted to be paid a fortune for their apartments. They would take cockroaches, break a jar of cockroaches and put cockroaches all over the place, which by the way, the tenants weren't thrilled about because they still got to live with these things. And they'd call the building inspector and say come in, you get a violation for having cockroaches, you get a violation for having leaks. This went on for a long time. And during the time it went on, the market crashed. Then it got good again and I said, wait a minute, I'm going to rip these buildings out. This is crazy. I'll just renovate the buildings and combine them physically. You see them there now. I combined them physically, saved hundreds of millions of dollars in cost, ended up with a bigger building. In other words, they're really combined. There's 100 Central Park South on the corner of 106 Central Park South and I sold them as condos. It was really successful. I made a lot of money. Had I ripped them down and done the whole thing, it would've been who knows. It would've taken much longer, probably would've missed the market but no, I was, yeah, I never intended -- Just to wrap it up, he told you, "You weren't really trying to sell this. You're just trying to get an informal appraisal." And then he said "So, I get a commission, right?" And you said, "No, not a commission but somewhere down the line. I'll do a favor for you too." Did that happen? Could be. I had good relationships with the people in the industry. But it could be. Let me ask you a couple of really quick questions, 40 Wall Street was a success story for you. We were told that you essentially bought it for a million dollars. There are a lot of other things going on. Is that right? Absolute worst day in the market in the history of New York City other than perhaps the crash of 1920. So you bought it for a million. Do you think that's your best deal as far as when you look back in the amount of profit you eventually made? Some people think that's the best deal made in New York in many, many years because, you know, per dollar spent -- Did you know, at the time, that -- Steve Roth of Vornado said that a long time ago. He said this has got to be the greatest deal made because I bought it for a million dollars, 1.3 million feet of space. The tallest building in downtown Manhattan except for the World Trade Center, which when it came down was the tallest, sadly. But actually, that was the tallest building in the world for a period of four months until the Chrysler went up. So, very briefly, we understand that 60 Wall Street was where your grandfather worked as a barber briefly. Did you know that this building which you're so proud of was right down the street? You know I never heard that. 60 Wall Street. You didn't know that? I'm telling you things you didn't know. I mean, I'm telling you right -- But you knew he was a barber for a time? For a very short time. I never heard that he worked at 60 Wall Street. 60 Wall Street. Could be. Now, you mentioned that some tenants, some were putting cockroaches. We've heard other kinds of stories turning it around that you would do certain things. For example, you wanted a tenant, it was a law firm, to leave 40 Wall Street and there was a particular tenant who wouldn't leave. And the story goes that you stopped the elevator from working so you have to walk up. Did you do that? Did you stop the elevator from working? You also heard I turned off the heat? I will never comment on that. That sounds like a denial. Those are a nasty group of people. No, I wanted to demolish the building and said, you know, 40 Wall Street is a brand new building. What I have is, other than, you know, the exteriors -- The renovation. Incredible. It's a beautiful building, one of the most beautiful buildings. That was the one with the green copper top and still the tallest building in the center, right opposite the New York Stock Exchange. When I bought it, I said, well, we have to renovate it. And we had this tenant -- just so you understand, it was owned by a New York family who was destroyed with it. And then it was owned by Koreans, and they never understood the New York's law system because you had tenants. Landlord-tenant relationship is different than any kind of a relationship that exists in New York, that exists anywhere. So these Koreans were given a tremendously hard time by these tenants. They wouldn't pay their rent, they owed about two years of rent. What happened, a law firm, and what happened they had floors 52 to 59 uptown, 52 to 59. Fairly big law firm and all sorts of law, including litigation, and they stopped paying the rent. They said you're not doing a good job with the building. They said, no, no, we have to have rent. We have to have rent. They said you're not doing a good job with the building. We're not going to pay. They went for years, for four years, they fought. Finally, they settled just before I got involved. They settled and they paid like 10 cents on the dollar. Period. Now, a month goes by and they stopped payment again, okay. They immediately stopped paying their rent again. And the Koreans were so incensed and so crazy that they said we will sell. They'd never seen anything like it. In other words, they made a deal after years. After, like, I guess it was three years of litigation they made a deal, and I bought the building. I took over the litigation because they owed a lot of money, so I took over the litigation and they were real wise guys. So there are those that say that I turned down the heat and that I turned off the elevator. I was in the building because I was very hands on when I built. I was in the building, I came down and there were like 120 lawyers standing in the lobby. And I was lucky I was with some very tough construction guys because it was brutal. And I said, fellas, you got to walk upstairs because the elevators are under repair. And so, there is that story. So, who knows? But all I know is I got a check for the full amount, 100 percent, millions of dollars of rent. I got a check for the whole thing and there was never any more litigation. So this is a pretty tough tactic but in your mind, you know -- I don't admit to anything. I'm just saying I got a check for the full amount. It was settled that day because I took over their litigation. They had years of rent. Let me ask you about another anecdote that's a little bit different but some said they were here, probably sitting on this very chair negotiating with you. The negotiation was X versus Y million and it came down to a million dollar difference and you said let's flip a coin. It's true. True? And the coin was flipped. It fell on the floor and a million dollars is at stake. So the story goes this guy jumped on your desk wanted to see, actually see it on the floor before you could retrieve the coin. Is that a true story? But I got the coin before he could see it. That's true. We flipped for a million. Actually, it was a million dollar dispute on a commission, and we flipped. Do you know who the person was? I do but I'm not sure that I want to say because of -- Kenny Moelis, is it Kenny Moelis? You're going to take the guess and I'll leave it at that. It's Kenny Moelis, great guy, by the way, but we flipped. And he lost. Yeah, he lost. Was it what you said it was? Only God knows. And me, I guess. There -- let me -- It's funny. You heard some funny stories. Well, we've heard of this. We've heard a lot. Some of them are, you know, bits and pieces but we want to run them by you. And frankly, I have about 100 more. So we're going to do this again. There are a lot of stories. But those are much more interesting. But anyway, [Crosstalk] 40 Wall Street turned out to be a phenomenal success. It's now 100 percent rented, doing great. And I gutted out the building. See, I couldn't gut it out if I have the law firm out there. On 40 Wall Street, my understanding is that Abe Wallach, you saw him on PBS, he explained how you were $900 million in debt, which was accurate. You sued him for quarter billion dollars and his company for a quarter billion dollars and then, you withdrew it and said we don't talk about this anymore. Then you hired him. You hired him for 12 years and he's the one, as I understand it, who brought 40 Wall Street to you and said [indiscernible]. He worked for me for a long time, did a nice job. I don't believe I ever sued him. No, I didn't sue him. [After] he was on PBS and he gave an interview, he says that you sued him and his company. I saw him on television, he wasn't complimentary. I didn't sue him. I saw him on television, he wasn't complimentary. I called him up to ram him out. And speaking to him, I liked him. It's one of those things. That's happened before, but he was not complimentary about 40 Wall Street because of, you know, it was a rough job because like you said -- But he does say unequivocally that he was sued and his company was sued for the same amount. It was quickly dropped. Basically, it went nowhere but someone delivered papers, Trump versus Wallach. I don't believe I sued. I called him, I spoke to him, I was ramming him, and then I sort of liked him. And he worked for me for I'd say nine years, eight or nine years and he did a nice job. No complaints. Speaking of ramming people, you've got tremendous support, I think, from people who admire the honesty with which you talk about the political process and the role of money and the role of donations. People see that as refreshing that you laid your cards on the table. So, that's how you deal with politicians. Why don't you bring that same honesty to how you deal with the media, right? So, the media, you're extremely generous and gracious in these kinds of settings, and then you go out and bash people and ram them. And obviously, there's good to be had from that. It's effective politically. But why don't you bring that same kind of honesty to how the relationships in media work? Well, I've had very good relationships with some media and I've had very bad --I mean, Washington Post treats me horribly, okay? They write stuff that's really -- yeah. That's why I assumed the book is going to be not so good. But I feel like I have an obligation, like even in the stuff we talked. Certain corrections could be made, might as well get the story right whether it's 100 Central Park South or whether it's 40 Wall Street. People will tell their story their way and in many cases, not that important but it's sort of nice to have it. It's a book and it's important you guys are writing it, so might as well get it right. But I've seen tremendous dishonesty from the media. I've also had some great relationships with the media. You understand that. I have some people that are writers and people that are editors and some people that are top people, phenomenal people. I have great respect for the great writers. I've written many bestsellers, believe it or not. The Art Of The Deal is certainly one of the most successful books ever written in terms of business. I think it's the number one book ever written in terms of business. By the way, selling a lot of copies right now, they are selling. There was an article in the Times a month or two ago talking about one of the hottest booksellers is me, and I didn't even write it. I wrote Crippled America and that does well, but I didn't promote it, I didn't do anything and it still did great. But I'm selling a lot of books right now that I don't even know about because a lot of the past books that I've sold, I guess they've reprinted them and whatever. But I have great respect for writers and journalists, when they're honest. But there's such unbelievable dishonesty in the media. In Art of the Deal, speaking of your books -- Go ahead, but how does that relate to what you wanted to say? Go ahead, you wanted to say -- No, I was just wondering -- You want something to drink? You want Coke or anything? Some water would be -- Coke? Sure, water. Water, water? Yep. Water, water, Coke please. Go ahead. You hear me okay? Okay, got it. It's quicker than the intercom. Do you know what I mean? We heard you don't use an intercom, you don't use a computer. I have it all. I mean I have it all but -- Have you ever used a personal computer? Oh, I have a computer. I use it but not as much. I have people that I'll say bump bump bump, but I use it. I have it outside. I have it on the other desk. Speaking of how you work, somebody was telling us that you liked to be briefed orally rather than having a memo come to you or something like that, just talking about your decision style, right, like a one piece. This is like a one pager with bullets. So I had a meeting downstairs today where we had the biggest people in the country. From the oil business, from the steel business, from the retail, but we had unbelievable -- I don't know if you've heard about Harold Hamm was here. He was great. He's a top oil guy. And he actually arranged the meeting because these are people that he knows, and we had tremendous people. And one of them, Dan from News Corp, who you probably know about. Good, we need one more water too. One more water? Okay. Unless you want my Coke you can have it. No, no, thank you So you want a Coke? No, just water. Okay. Water right? Yeah, one more water. Okay And he was telling me about how China is absolutely taking advantage of the United States. [Indiscernible] we have the biggest bank in the world, we must stop on the way down. We have the biggest bank in the world a couple of floors down. And I have other Chinese in different places that I own, but he was talking about it. He said I'd like to send you a report. I said do me a favor, don't send me a report. Send me like three pages. Various different things about what they're doing with intellectual property. Stealing billions and billions of dollars and we do nothing about it. And he went into something, it was really great. But he said I'd love to be able to send you -- oh, boy, he's got a lengthy report, hundreds of pages. I said no, no, give me three pages. I'm a very efficient guy. Now, I could also do it verbally, which is fine. I'd always rather have -- but I want it short. There's no reason to do hundreds of pages because I know exactly what it is. One thing very important, about two months ago, two-and-ahalf, three months ago, Wolf Blitzer asked me about NATO. And in all fairness, I've been in the real estate business, I've been a dealmaker, I've been doing what I do, nobody ever asked me about NATO before. But I know about NATO. And he said, what are your feelings on NATO? This was three months ago. Here and now, I took [sounds like] him for three days, and then after that they say I think Trump is right. It's like they can't see the forest for the trees. So I said what do you want to know? What do you think of it? I don't know if it was a trick question or not, I don't think so actually. But I said, look, NATO is obsolete because it doesn't cover terrorism. And today our problem is terror. It's not the Soviet Union, which doesn't exist anymore, although I give Russia full credit. You can still use NATO for Russia because while it's not as big as the Soviet Union, it's probably more powerful because of new weaponry. But I said to him, but it doesn't cover terror and you have the wrong countries if you're talking about terror. It's a different set of countries. You know terror, as we are watching. And I said, also, the countries that are in NATO are not paying their fair share. And that was with very little knowledge other than the knowledge I had plus the words common sense because I have a lot of common sense and I have a lot of business ability. So what do you mean they're not paying? I said they're not paying. We're defending all of these countries, 28 countries. We're defending all of these countries, and many of them aren't paying, or they're not paying their fair share. Okay, so that was the end of it and it got a lot of [indiscernible]. And then a lot of people went crazy. They said, "Oh, Trump said it's obsolete. NATO is great. Like Hillary Clinton, she said he doesn't like NATO. I think NATO is great but it's obsolete. It doesn't cover terrorism and the countries. So it turned out experts have said Trump understood NATO better than any of us, and we have been studying it for years. They were so close to it. They said he's right, it doesn't cover terrorism. And they do patchwork for terrorism, but it doesn't cover terrorism. And he's right. These countries are not paying us. And the ones that are paying us, are not paying us what the agreement says which is 2 or 3 percent of GDP, et cetera et cetera. They're way behind; they're not paying. Okay, so all of that forgotten, right? And a lot of people said, man, he was more accurate than guys have studied it all the time." So now, four days ago, Wall Street Journal, front page, NATO to open up terrorist operation. A new general's being appointed, a big front page story. Now, if they mention my name, that Donald Trump complained about it, that was all this - - Donald Trump complained about it. I'm responsible for it because I was hitting them that NATO was obsolete because they don't study -- so I wasn't given any credit, a hundred percent. I have somebody that's very familiar with NATO, actually in NATO said if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't even be thinking about doing this. So maybe the Washington Post is going to give me some credit, who knows. Just to follow up -- Did you know what I'm talking about? Did you see the story four or five days ago? Front page, NATO to open up massive terrorism operation. So to try to understand exactly -- It's a hundred percent because of me. To try to understand where exactly you formally decided to begin with, we saw back, I think it was '87, it placed an ad in which you complained about Japan not appreciating the U.S. paying for its military defense. I've been very consistent. So what I want to get at is, you say today something very similar, so consistent back to '87, it's the first that I know of where you were that outspoken about it. What I want to understand is why did you come to believe that back in '87, some people have said that you were upset with the Japanese because they were flooding New York with their money, making it hard for you to compete against their -- No. No, I wasn't upset because I made a lot of money. I sold things to them. What was the first time -- They made some terrible investments. They drove the prices through the -- I wasn't upset. I wasn't upset. That's what we were told. They drove prices up. I never get upset by market. No, no, I like that. I like it when China comes in. But you're competing, you're competing for the same building and they bought it. Well, it's hard to buy it because you couldn't buy because they were paying so much. But I also sold things and did very well. So, no, I just felt [Crosstalk] [Indiscernible] to begin with. I just felt, believe it or not, I have much greater spirit for the United States than just an economics. I felt that Japan was taking advantage of the country. And by the way, there's nothing changed there. Japan is doing what they're all doing. You look at what's happening with the balance of credit. You talk about trade deficits, it's massive with Japan. But if you're talking about balance, we send them beef and they send us hundreds of thousands of cars. You're talking about balance of -- so I mean it's from the floor to ceiling, the difference. So what happened, I've been pretty consistent. I've been probably the most consistent. People have said, man, you've said similar things several years ago. It's one of the many reasons I'm running. Hey, I had a very good life going, great company, wonderful family. I could do whatever. I own Turnberry, I own Doral, I own all these incredible places, I own great property. I'm doing deals all over the world and no risk deals. These licensing deals are the best. The smart people say the greatest deals -- I've had the smartest people, best business people say these are greatest deals. You don't have any risk and you get big chunks of every deal that goes up. And by the way, like I'm doing 121 deals. Most of them are licensing. Turnberry I own 100 percent, no mortgage. I own a lot of the stuff without financing. This is really interesting. Your father was famous for not trying to have too much leverage in the building. When you did Atlantic City, you were leveraging amazingly. Because I took money out. Well, but you had $900 million in debt. But I took money out. You took money out but there were -- so let me just ask this. Go ahead, sure. So there were the three casinos went into corporate bankruptcies. When you say there were four bankruptcies, what are you thinking of when you say there were four corporate, and I get that's corporate, what are the four corporate --? Just individual things. And by the way -- Because we count more than four, so I want to make sure I understand. I thought it was four. I thought it was four. So I'm going to make sure I got this straight. The Taj, Castle, the Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, that's three, The Plaza Hotel, the public company that you had. Well, that's the same thing as the Taj. Well, the public was TJT [Crosstalk] Actually, honestly, I view that as one. I don't view that as four. Michael Kranish The Taj bankruptcy, wasn't it like '91 or something like that? Yeah. But, see, I don't view that as four. The public company was like 2000- something right? Eight years later -- First of all, if you look Atlantic City, Caesar's is bankrupt right now, badly bankrupt. That's a mess by the way. Many of the hotels down there are bankrupt, and the ones that aren't are in deep trouble. But if you look at bankruptcy, bankruptcy is a tool. I never went personally bankrupt or anything. The corporate bankruptcies, yes, as far as we know, you've had six because there was the public company and that was twice. I get it. See, I view Atlantic City, the three I view that as one. You view it as one but it was three different huge [Crosstalk]. It's three buildings, but I view it as one. Many places in Atlantic City have gone bankrupt, as you've seen. They're doing terribly right now. When I left seven years ago, I've actually gotten credit for that. But when I put on the debt, that's money taken out. That's money that you pay things off -- But you were awfully -- I mean the famous anecdote, I don't know if it's [indiscernible] or not is that you were walking down the street and that you pointed to a homeless person and said that person is worth $900 million more than I am because you were $900 million in debt. I've heard that anecdote so many different times, what's the real anecdote? What happened? I was walking down Fifth Avenue with a beautiful woman. Marla? I won't say. I was walking down Fifth Avenue with a very beautiful woman. Do you remember him? He used to be always at the corner of 57th and Fifth. And he was a man who was selling pencils, always hitting on the [indiscernible]. Remember him with the dog? He was there for years. Yes, yes. White dog. You know, like a German shepherd type. And he was blind, and he was there for years in front of Tiffany's. I was walking down Fifth Avenue and I said isn't that amazing, right now, that man is richer than I am. And this beautiful woman said, "What do you mean? He's not richer than you." I said, yeah, he's worth $900 million more. I said, right now, that man is richer than me. She said why? Because, let's assume he's worth nothing. But I'm worth minus $900 million. And she never ran away. She was very happy to be with me. So that tells you that's something good. But no, I said let's assume he's worth nothing, but I'm worth minus $900 million. Is that the story you talked about? That's the story. What year was that '91, '92? That would be about '92. The real estate market had totally crashed. And again, just so you -- I never went bankrupt. I understand [Crosstalk]. I did a pretty [indiscernible]. Most people don't go negative $900 million. That must have been -- Oh yeah, I was negative $900 million. Did you feel devastated? How did you feel? Well, I think that -- look the market's crashed. You couldn't sell -- a building that was worth a lot of money, an apartment -- for instance, I was doing a big job on the East Side called Trump Palace which is a very successful job right now. But I was doing a big job on the East Side called Trump Palace. When it opened, there were lines of people wanting to buy apartments during construction. I opened a sales office. When the building was completed, if a person would call up and say maybe I'll come over and look, we considered that a tremendously successful week. You understand? That's what happens. I'll never forget Charles Allen. Do you know Charles Allen from Allen & Company, great man. He was a much older man than me. I was young, he was old. I was building this building. And this building did great from the beginning. You guys would say that this was a success from day one - Trump Tower. But I was across the street at Harry Winston watching the construction. And he walked by, he was the head of Allen & Company, they had an office right down the road on Fifth Avenue. And he goes, "Donald, how are you?" And I wasn't so famous then. But he knew me, I knew him. And he was one of them great people of Wall Street, one of the great, Allen & Company. And he was the boss, the founder, the boss, the whole thing. And he was an amazing guy, a tough guy. And, [indiscernible] said this building is so successful. Charles, I just sold an apartment to Johnny Carson. I sold it, I was doing great with it. He goes, "That's great, but you know, there'll be a time when a building like this, or any building, you won't be able to sell apartments for any price." And I said, no way, no way no way. And he was right, because from 1990 to '93, you couldn't give away apartments or real estate. So, you know, the world changed, but it was a very interesting period. So you were big on the power of positive thinking. How did this affect you? Did you feel, just know when to think positive about this, [Crosstalk]? I wouldn't tell you the story if I thought -- I thought it was frankly a cool story. The amazing thing is that this beautiful woman didn't run away from me. That was the more amazing. Speaking of beautiful women, I want to ask you a couple of pageant questions. You remember Carrie Prejean? Now you know I sold the pageant for a tremendous price? I bought it for $2 million. Off the record, I sold it for much more than 50 [million]. I settled the case with Univision where, as you know, they paid me a lot of money because they said, "We're not going to broadcast the pageant." You know the funny thing about that case? Had I not had all of the publicity where they weren't going to put on the pageants because of Trump, because of the Hispanic, I wouldn't think I would've gotten 20, 25 million from them, which is you know how successful that was. It was a phenomenal deal. Bought it for two [million]. Made a lot of money. It was a sick puppy. I bought it for two million. Made a lot of money for 15 years and then sold it. Had there not been all of the hoopla about the television. As you know, Univision said, "We will not air it." They never sent me a letter out of five-year [sounds like]. I just signed a brand new contract with them. It was three months old. It's four months old. They said, "We won't air this." We just signed a contract. Anyway, bottom line, we settled with Univision. It was very good. I got a great price from the people that bought it. I hope they're going to be happy with it. But it was a great deal. Carrie Prejean, so she was very nice. Did you know she was very nice? I did not. Last week did you know that? No. Tell me. Go ahead. She wrote this book in which she said that you were very involved and closely inspected the contestants and were interested in separating the hot ones from the discards. Is that the kind of thing you did? No. What I did is I own the pageant. I bought Miss Universe. And Carrie is very nice. You know, when that New York Times wrote that stupid piece about me a couple of weeks ago about the women, Carrie was one of the women that's mentioned. And she went on television. She's all over town. She went on television saying Donald Trump is fantastic. Did you know that she came to my defense? Yes. Okay. Totally. She's a great person. She was fine, and so did Rowanne Brewer. I mean, the whole place was like -- that was a horrible for the Times, believe me. You saw that picture. Front page, centerfold, Sunday Times, big picture, me with beauty contestants. Then they had them saying, a little bad, not -- by the way, not horrible by standards. You understand. Friends of mine said, man, nice person but stuff. Rowanne Brewer got up. She's all over television saying, "That's not what I said. We have great respect for Donald Trump. I really like Donald Trump. He's a really good guy." Carrie Prejean got on television and said. I mean, I thought it was amazing that she said -- no. But here's what I did. When I bought the pageants, they were failing. I bought them fairly inexpensively. I then made a deal with CBS to air it. But you'd have a hundred beautiful women, let's say, in Miss Universe than you have 50 in Miss USA. You'd pick judges. But the judges didn't know what they were doing. You had two sets of judges. You had judges that would be there for a week-and-a-half, then you had celebrity judges for the final night. So you'd pick. And they wouldn't pick the women that should've been in the finals. They picked women that -- So I developed a system where everybody would be on stage. And I would go with numerous people from CBS. Then ultimately, NBC picked it up, television. We would talk and see the people. We would talk to as many as a hundred on Miss Universe and for Miss USA, 50. I'd be on stage and I talk. We would pick the top 15 smartest, most beautiful women. Once I got involved, the ratings went up greatly. It became very successful and I made a great deal. The pageants did very well. But they would pick women that maybe -- and I don't say this in any way. Look, it is a beauty pageant, okay? It's about beauty. I was happy. We can't be ashamed of it. It's a beauty pageant. But we'd pick women that were outstanding, and the ratings went great. Then ultimately, I sold it. Plus, I didn't think it was great for me to be owning a beauty pageant while I'm running for president. The reason I asked you is because similarly there are people who are saying that they used to see you and one of your security guards, security men out on Fifth Avenue playing the game of -- seeing women go down the street and that the game of that one's invited, she's invited, she's not invited. Was that before I was famous, you mean? No. This was in the early '90s or something. But how could I do that? As me, even in the early '90s, I could never do anything like that. I mean, I just couldn't do it. I mean, I just [indiscernible] under what timing. It's false. It's not true. I wouldn't do that. It's not my thing. I wouldn't do that at any time. Certainly, I couldn't have done that in the '90s because I was very wellknown in the '90s. So you wouldn't have been able to do it in the '90s. Earlier, was it possible? No. That wouldn't have been my thing. No. Being as well-known in the community, recognizable as you are, I would imagine you can't just walk into a supermarket. Has it been a long time since you can even do that? Do you miss that? So The Apprentice, so I had great success. I then did The Art of the Deal. The Art of the Deal became the number one best seller on the Times list. In fact, I was there with Bonfire of the Vanities. We were both two massively successful books, one fiction, one nonfiction that was on the list for a long, long time. Both of them were on the list. They were up there for a long time. So I had been number one bestselling. Then I did The Apprentice. As you know, it became one of the most -- take a look at that. Maybe get up. Take a look right over the light switch. That's Variety. Check it out. It was the number one show. And that's Variety. It's a very successful show. So I did that. By the way, in that chair sat Steve Burke where you're sitting, came up to see, me wanting to extend it. You can't do it because of the equal time provisions, which is frankly ridiculous. But I wouldn't have time to do it, anyway, to be honest with you. But they wanted to extend The Apprentice. I did it for 14 seasons, which is about 12 years because we did some -- then we had Martha do one and it failed. Failure's very simple in that business. If you don't get ratings, you fail. That's not a very complicated thing. You either get ratings or you don't. And I get ratings, okay? The king of ratings. They call me the king of ratings at NBC. So even after 14 seasons, they wanted me to extend me for a long period of time. I said no. Steve Burke came up himself. Steve Burke doesn't ever talk to talent. Steve is a great guy and a great manager, but he doesn't go around talking to people to go into a show, extend the show. But he came up here with the executives at NBC. They wanted me to do it so badly - I think I maybe told you this — a number of months before I announced and I said, "Steve, I'm going to run. I'm pretty sure I'm going to run. I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure I'm going to run." They went out actually at the Upfront, which is where they announced the program. They announced that I was going to do The Apprentice, which caused me a lot of problem with the Washington Post and lots of others because, wait a minute, Trump's not going to run because they just announced. And I said I'm not doing it. He was pretty sure I wasn't going to run. Anyway, so I announced I was going to run. They chose Arnold Schwarzenegger. We did because I have a big chunk of that show. They chose Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's doing the show. We'll see how he does. It's already been shot actually. What happened is I decided to do this. People ask me the question oftentimes, so you're the number one bestseller. You did a show that was a tremendous hit, oftentimes number one. I mean you see it. In fact, I think it had the highest rating of the year, Show 1. It was with Bill Rancic. Had the highest rating of the year after the Super Bowl. You had this tremendous success in book. You had tremendous success in television, entertainment. Now, you're doing very well politically. What's the biggest? I tell you there's no contest. This is a monster. I mean this is such a big thing. I tell people, it's not even a contest. You know, when I did The Apprentice and the show went to number one, that was a very big thing. That is peanuts compared to what this is. Now, what this is, is more important from a lot of different ways including making America great again, which is what I want to do. The country's being run so incompetently. But this is, you know, hundreds of times more, more important. So the question was really about is it hard for you personally to not be able to do those kind of normal everyday things. Yes. It's hard for me to get into an army tank and to literally, you know, those things. By the way, Secret Service people are great people, but at -- let me give you one more story before. And then if you want we can do another one or whatever, but I've got to go because I have a lot of people. You know, the vans they have are armor-plated. These are not like -- they're SUVs but their side walls are steel, et cetera, et cetera. And the other day, I came down and we had thousands of people on Fifth Avenue waiting, thousands of people on 56th Street which was closed, at least a hundred Secret Service agents, and my wife. The car's parked on the sidewalk right next to the glass. I don't know if you've seen it. They park it on the sidewalk. It's pulled on to the sidewalk on 56th Street right in front of the building. Some of the wealthiest people in the world live in Trump Tower, including from India, from all over. They're held back. They can't -- and these guys are worth billions. They're held back like can't move, stand. But they like me so it doesn't matter. They understand. I get out, I get into the car. Thousands of people. What they do is they close the street and thousands of people form in the corner waving, going crazy and all these Secret Service. And my wife gets in, and I get it in, and she looks at me, and we're in this car with windows that are this thick, with steel walls that are like this. And she says to me, "Are you sure this is what you want for the rest of your life?" Okay, I wanted to tell that because it was funny. It's happened the other day. It's not like a normal situation. And what did you say? I am, not because I like that because I don't particularly. What I want to do is help the country. I want to give back. I mean, this country's been so great to me and it's on such a bad track so I want to get back. Can I ask you just one other question? There's a lot of other questions I asked you but this one I want to ask you. In 2012, when Mitt Romney had his speech about self-deporting, this comment was made about that. "He had a crazy policy of self-deportation which was maniacal. It sounded as bad as it was and that he lost all the Latino vote, he lost the Asian vote, he lost everybody who was inspired to come into this country." What do you think about that? What I meant is that nobody knew what selfdeporting meant. But you remember saying this comment about -- I do, but nobody knew what it meant. I didn't know what it meant. Nobody knew -- are you all set? Dan Balz is waiting to talk. You know, I think he's fantastic. He's treated me so fair. Would you tell him I'm with these two characters, that I'll call him in two minutes. I did. Because he's doing a story. I think he's great. I may call you back and [indiscernible]. I think he's a great professional. Does that make sense to you? You know, I told you, I respect -- in your profession, there's few people I respect more when they're good and honorable and honest and all of that, but anyway. No, but I didn't know what self -- nobody knew what self-deporting was. You want to go further. You wanted to not self deport but deport. Why is that better? Well, nobody has been able to define what self-deporting meant. Nobody knew what it meant. Nobody knew. Was that a good thing? Was that a bad thing? Was does it represent? What does it mean? Nobody knew. But your point was that telling them they had to leave was bad for the Latino community. No, it wasn't necessarily my point at all. But what will happen, what has happened and what you'll see has happened -- you know, when Eisenhower did this, his concept was you'll move some and the rest will leave. That's what happened. When he started deporting people, people started leaving because they didn't want to be deported. Did you know that, when Eisenhower did it from '52 to '53? So you don't see a contradiction between what you said and [Crosstalk] No, because nobody ever knew what selfdeporting means. Nobody was ever able to define what he meant by self-deportation. So you think it's consistent. He was [indiscernible]. I do because nobody understood what he meant by self-deportation. All right. So we do have other questions. You said you'd talk to us some more. We'll have another time. Let me ask you -- I actually enjoyed this. We have too. Thank you. Who would you say who's the best president of your lifetime? I would say Ronald Reagan but I disagreed with him on the borders. I disagreed with him on trade and the borders. But trade really was -- he got a bum rap. A lot of people thought Reagan was, you know, for some reason everyone thought Reagan was NAFTA. It was Clinton that was NAFTA. Ronald Reagan got a bum rap because NAFTA's been a disaster for our country. You know, I have gone up and I've toured a lot of this country that I wouldn't have seen except for the fact that I'm running for the office. I will tell you that you go Upstate New York, you go to Pennsylvania, you go to Connecticut, you go to these states that you will see things that you wouldn't believe in terms of people that left. They left because -- you go to New England. The New England states where I went through them in great detail. I've seen things that you wouldn't believe that are far worse when you see them than when you hear about it. Eighty-seven, you called Reagan a great performer but you wondered whether there was anything behind that smile. You wrote that. That doesn't sound complimentary. Well, I really liked him. I really liked his energy. I liked his heart. I disagreed with him on trade. I thought he was far too weak on trade. And I disagreed with him on the border. He was weak on the border. But in terms of a feeling, I loved his attitude on Iran. He released those prisoners. I loved what happened in Iran and Reagan as opposed to Jimmy Carter where they would've kept those people for a hundred years. But I felt he gave a great tone to the country. I disagreed with him on trade. I totally disagreed with him on trade. Reagan has been given a bad rap though because Reagan thought, very strongly thought that -- everybody thought that Reagan was NAFTA. And Reagan wasn't NAFTA. It was Bill Clinton that was NAFTA. Bill Clinton signed that bill. And what Bill Clinton did is for the people that followed him, he made life miserable because NAFTA, I mean they cleaned out New England. They cleaned out upstate New York. They cleaned out big manufacturing. You have to see I have statisticians, and one in particular who very good. And before I'd speak in like Albany, Syracuse, he'd do reports on the various people on various places. I mean, 55 percent of the manufacturers is gone in the last X number of years. And I get the next one. Forty-nine percent. It was always like between 45 and 55 and 60 percent every place I'd go to. It was NAFTA. It was signed by Bill Clinton. People used to think it was Reagan. It wasn't. Anyway, I'll see you again. We'll do it again. I enjoyed this. Thank you. Thank you very much. You seem [indiscernible]. Thank you, Mr. Trump. Thank you very much. You spend a lot of your time with reporters these days? Very little. This is a very unusual meeting. But it's important. Very little. Well, we really appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Thank you, fellas.