Interview: Donald Trump with Fisher, Kranish- The Washington Post - April 21, 2016


Interview: Donald Trump with Fisher, Kranish- The Washington Post - April 21, 2016

the Times
Washington Post
president
the Deal
America
Atlantic City
time
little bit
story
people
Negative

Marc Fisher
club
private club sort
Neutral
Donald Trump
Yeah. The time I really considered it, other than this, of course, was the last one, the Romney run. And I was doing really well, and that really whet my appetite, but I had a number of things. I was doing many jobs that are now all completed and very successful. And also, I had a signed contract with NBC to do numerous episodes of The Apprentice, which in all fairness, you know, it sounds a little bit quaint, but actually it's a big show. It's a big show and doing great. And, you know, they wanted to sign me for two more years. And Steve Burke sat right in that chair, and he said, this was two or three months before I announced. He said, no, no. And then they actually announced. It caused me a problem because I was saying to people that I'm going to run, and they announced that they're doing two more seasons of The Apprentice with Donald Trump. I did 14 seasons, and I said how do you do that because I told you no. They didn't believe I was running. Nobody believed that I was running because of the season before. In other words, because of the Romney, nobody believed that I was running. But the time that I really looked at it was during the Romney run, and that's a race that should've been won. That should've been won. He was not a good candidate, and it wasn't won. And I thought if things are good and things are working well, and the company has never been better, it's doing great, you know. In fact, I filed papers with the Federal Elections, which you may or may not look at. I mean, the press has looked at it, and they're really amazed. You know, it's a crazy thing. I wasn't meant for me. It was meant for politicians, these papers. But they have boxes like is the company worth $100,000, $500,000, a million, $10 million, $20 million, or $50 million, and it says $50 million or above. And I check all, you know, I didn't check. The very expensive accountants from Washington and lawyers from Washington checked. And I guess we have 23 or 24 boxes checked, over $50 million. So we built it. It's a great company, and now it's a company that the kids can run while I do this. But I've been having a lot of fun with it.
Romney run
Yeah. The time
little bit
Positive
Donald Trump
Yeah. I think I've always had it in the back of my mind, for a long period of time because I've had a great success. I've been very successful for a long period of time. I've always maybe had it in the back of my mind, but always toward making the country better, or as we say, making the country great again, right? Make America Great Again, which turned out to be a very good slogan, which I came up, which isn't Reagan. Reagan was Let's Make America Great, a little bit different. Good for him at that time. See, at that time you couldn't have used my slogan. It's a little bit different, but Make America Great Again. So I've had it in mind, and there were times where I had in mind maybe when the country was doing better, but when you look at the Iran deal, when you look at what's going in the world. I was very much opposed to the war in Iraq. I thought it was a terrible decision to go into there. If that decision isn't made, you're not going to have the migration, you're going to have much of the stuff, maybe all of it, everything that we're going through right now. And I said to somebody before, Saddam Hussein was not a good person, and Gadhafi was not a good person. But they had one thing in common: they killed terrorists, okay? They were extremely good at killing terrorists. They would knock them out in one hour. And once that came, now, and I say, you've probably heard me say this. But I say now if you want to be a terrorist, you go to Iraq. It's the Harvard of terrorism. But he used to kill terrorists instantaneously. So I made the statement the other day if our presidents went to the beach for 365 days a year, we would've been better off than what we have now because this is far more serious, and it's a far worse situation than it was 15 years ago in the Middle East. It's a mess. It's a mess. And now, we're bringing people into the country on top of it.
America
Iraq
Middle East
Make America
little bit
long period
Negative
Marc Fisher
Positive
Donald Trump
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Negative
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
money
Neutral
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Times
traffic
online traffic
couple
Enormously
Negative
Marc Fisher
people
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Tim O'Brien
Neutral
Ivanka Trump
Hi
Positive
Donald Trump
honey
Hi
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Donald Trump
Ivanka
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
folks
Washington Post
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Marc
Ivanka
Positive
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Michael
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Michael Kranish
Ivanka Trump
Doral
Positive
Donald Trump
sweetheart
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Ivanka Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Ivanka Trump
Donald Trump
Ivanka Trump
Marc Fisher
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Marc Fisher
Negative
Donald Trump
-- like a caged animal. But he comes in, and he does a story in the Times. He was writing for the Times. And he did this story that was so inaccurate, a book. Books. I guess it started with a story or vice versa. And he said I'm worth between $150 and $250 million. Now, in all fairness, all you have to do is add up just some of the assets and it's worth much more. So I said, is something wrong with him? And then we said, well, the West Side Railroad Yards, which, by the way, now I own a big chunk of the Bank of America building and 1290 Avenue of the Americas because I swapped around, and it morphed into a tremendous fortune, just that one deal. He said, well, I don't think you own it. So the woman took him over, showed him the deed, showed him the contract, showed him everything. He still didn't believe it. Showed him another. Finally after hours and hours until 3:00 in the morning, he was convinced I totally own it. But when he wrote the book he said I didn't own it. In other words, his whole narrative, I wasn't worth, at that time it was probably a couple of billion bucks. It's a long time ago already. It's 12 years ago. So I sued. Now, I know you can't win those lawsuits, and the judges, actually we had a very good judge at the beginning, but unfortunately in New Jersey they change judges all the time, but I know you can't win those things. But I just found it so dishonest because he knew and he actually agreed that I owned my interest in the West Side. Not only that, it was better. I had Chinese partners who were putting up all the money. They put up 100 percent of the money.
the Times
West Side Railroad
West Side
tremendous fortune
big chunk
Railroad Yards
Negative
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
water
Negative
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Neutral
Donald Trump
waters
Coke
Okay
Positive
Marc Fisher
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Marc Fisher
Michael Kranish
versions
Longer versions
Neutral
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Marc Fisher
reporters
Post reporters
Positive
Michael Kranish
Positive
Donald Trump
Post
Post reporter
Positive
Donald Trump
co-authors
Neutral
Michael Kranish
co-authors
Neutral
Donald Trump
Positive
Michael Kranish
Positive
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
guy
Great guy
Positive
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Well, I must tell you, I get some of the dark coverage. But I will tell you that I'm doing this on a very positive basis. For instance, somebody said Make America Great Again is a very negative theme. I said, no, it's a very positive theme because people have been disenfranchised. Look at African-Americans. I mean, I'm going to be so great. I think I'm going to do with African-Americans. In fact, in some polls I do great with them. I'm going to bring jobs back. They need jobs. You have youth, African-American youth, 59 percent unemployed. Obama has done nothing for the African-Americans, and you look at African-American employment. And then I have a lot of African-Americans employed that nobody wants to talk about, but I think we're doing great. I think I'll do great with Hispanics even though you wouldn't think that, but we're bringing jobs back. And when I won the State of Nevada, they did a big poll, an exit poll, with just the Hispanics, and I led it by a lot. I was number one with that. Now, these are people that are in the country legally. They have jobs. They have houses. They don't want people to come in and take their jobs and their houses, but those are your voters. But I mean it as a positive. This is a positive campaign, not negative. Last night I was in a couple of different places. I was with Pence in Indiana, Governor Pence, and I made a speech there. We had a tremendous crowd. And I came back and I did one. So I was in Indiana, and then I flew to Maryland and made a speech, and it was a big, big high school with a massive gym. And we filled up that gym, another gym, another one. It was all over the school with closed circuit television. But in both places you ought to see the positiveness in the room. And you read where there's a protester or something somewhere. We have very few protesters. I always say we have the safest rallies you've ever seen because the people protect each other, right? But when I say "Make America Great Again," that's actually a positive. That's not meant to be negative. That's not knocking the future. The word, again, is a positive. I view it as a positive because we turn it around and make it great. So I view it as a very big positive. So that's it. The only thing is this. I've had so much negative. If it's negative, it's negative. But there's so much negative. It would be nice if people could get it correct.
Indiana
exit poll
Nevada
Make America
closed circuit television
big high school
Negative
Donald Trump
I mean, I had this guy, Wayne Barrett, who was another one. I think O'Brien was a psycho. I think O'Brien, he had an agenda where he just didn't know. I said what about all these other things? Well, I don't know. It was weird. It was weird. He just wrote. And the good news is I knocked the hell out of it, and when I knock it it's great because I knocked it. I said it's all fictitious, and it didn't do well. It did really poorly. Wayne Barrett was another one. He used to cover me all the time. He used to say I knew the mob, I knew this one, I knew that one, people I had never even met before. And I guess the bad part is, you'd like to have it corrected because if you think enough of yourself you have a legacy. And you don't want people reading in a hundred years a book that you were best friends with Two Ton Tony Soprano and all of the different people. He would write stories about, like, I had a lawyer that represented these people, and because he represented these people, I was their best friend, and would name 10 names, none of which I ever even heard of. And in on way you'd like to correct the record. In another way it takes so long to correct, is it worth it? This woman, Gwenda Blair, wrote a book, and she was crazy. She followed me for like 10 years. No matter where I went, this woman was there for years and years. And she wrote, and it was like I don't think I ever even gave her an interview. But I was going for zoning on the West Side. She made every meeting, and it was a very inaccurate book. I don't even know if it was a bad book. Honestly I never even read it. I'm not sure I've read any of these books, but --
Wayne Barrett
Ton Tony Soprano
people
Negative
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
Negative
Michael Kranish
Neutral
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Michael Kranish
impression
Neutral
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
lot
anti-German stuff
Neutral
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Art
Deal
Positive
Donald Trump
Negative
Michael Kranish
source
primary source
Positive
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
question
Positive
Donald Trump
millions
people
Germany
Positive
Michael Kranish
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
marriage
great marriage
Positive
Donald Trump
sister
Court of Appeals
Federal judge
Appeals
Positive
Michael Kranish
Positive
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Post
Right
Positive
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
story
good story
Positive
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
mother
great sense
Yeah. My mother
pageantry
Positive
Michael Kranish
picture
Positive
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
father
Neutral
Donald Trump
My mother had a tremendous sense of pageantry. She loved shows that were big and beautiful. Coming from Scotland, she had great respect, I mean, not everybody does, but she had respect for the queen, and it's hard to believe. The queen is 90 years old. She's been there since she was like a young girl. That's a record that will never be broken, right, in terms of length. And when you think about it, for all of those years she's never made one mistake. Now, the children have gotten into trouble, but you think of the queen, even when the guy broke into her room, she talked to him quietly, talked to him. They came and they took him away. She's like amazing, but she just turned 90. But my mother loved the pageantry of what took place with the family in Britain, in England. But my mother had a sense of that. My father was really smart. His brother went to MIT and was a professor at MIT. My father worked very hard, helped my uncle with the payment to the school. My uncle was a brilliant guy. My father was equally as brilliant, but in a different sense because my father graduated from high school. My father would build garages because at the very beginning that was when the cars were really becoming prominent, and houses were built without garages. So he'd go around and build garages on houses that existed because they needed a garage for the car. And then he built that up and did better and better. But he was a very smart guy, but very nuts and bolts. No games. Then my mother had a certain pageantry about her. It's sort of an interesting combination.
mother
the queen
MIT
Scotland
father
tremendous sense
certain pageantry
Positive
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Positive
Marc Fisher
military school
Negative
Donald Trump
Negative
Marc Fisher
Negative
Marc Fisher
accounts
favorite child
Positive
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
father
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Drop
Negative
Donald Trump
Drop
Negative
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
Positive
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
friend
Good friend
Positive
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
secretary
Treasury secretary
right guy
Neutral
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Atlantic City
junk bonds
wrong convention center
Negative
Michael Kranish
bondholder
biggest bondholder
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Jenna Johnson
Neutral
Donald Trump
Jenna Johnson
reporter
good reporter
Positive
Marc Fisher
reporter
good reporter
Positive
Donald Trump
Positive
Michael Kranish
Marc Fisher
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Negative
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Just so just, you can explain this. My thing is I wanted to build, just like somebody buys a painting. Steve Wynn called me and bought a hundred million painting and he puts it on the wall. That's my painting, okay? This is one of the great pieces of land in the world. It's got the largest dunes in the world, one of the most magnificent settings you'll ever see. It's on the North Sea. And it was owned by a man who hated selling, but he got older, you know, because Aberdeen is the oil capital of Europe, okay? That's where all the North Sea rigs. And this is right on the North Sea. You don't see other rigs. This is right on the North Sea. I wanted to build a great golf course ideally in Scotland because my mother came from Scotland. And, you know, I have a lot of cash that I could do these things if I wanted to. When I bought the land I bought the land for the right price because they said it was unzoneable, and I got a zoned for 5,000 units of housing and for a golf course or two golf courses. Thousands of units. I'm not sure exactly of the amount, but thousands, you know, many thousands. Now, I have enough housing. I have housing all over, so I didn't care too much about the housing. But Aberdeen has been very successful because of its oil. Anything having to do with oil had been successful. I wanted to build a golf course. And everyone said you'll never be able to get, it's called SSSI, which is a term for you can't touch the land, okay? That means it's totally protected. That's like a landmark. It's landmarked in this city, SSSI. And it's never been broken before, the SSSI. When dunes and all are called SSSI, it's never been broken. They don't even want you walking on the dunes let alone taking bulldozers, right? Now, in all fairness I left most of the dunes, and the dunes are there. But I wanted to build, and I hired a great architect that was recommended to me by Peter Dawson of the Royal and Ancient. His name is Dr. Martin Autrey, who you maybe should speak to. Dr. Martin Autrey. He's one of the great architects. I went to Peter Dawson, head of the Royal and Ancient. I said, Peter, I have the best piece of land. He said, I know, I grew up in Aberdeen. He said, it's the most incredible piece of land in the world. I said, who should I use? He recommended an architect who's one of the great architects of the world, one of the best I've ever used, too, and he did a great job. Okay. I got it zoned. Nobody believed it. It took me four years, I got it zoned. I then built a golf course. That's really what I wanted to do. But I also got housing, and I have other things. It's a major development, but I haven't chosen to do the development because I don't have time to do it. But if I wanted to do it, or if I wanted to sell the land, or I wanted to do something I could. I'm in no rush. I don't need to do the housing because I don't need the money. But really the golf course was sort of like an anchor tenant in a shopping center. The golf course is the anchor tenant. It's doing very nicely. I think we did 14, 15,000 rounds last year, and it's sort of a limited season because of the weather. But the golf course has gotten phenomenal reviews. It's rated by some people, I could give you some stuff. She must've had it. Ask her did she see Sarah Malone. I hope she saw Sarah.
golf
North Sea
Aberdeen
golf course
Dr. Martin Autrey
Positive
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Michael Kranish
Marc Fisher
Negative
Donald Trump
They write me a letter asking me for a million dollars. I say very nicely, I said, no, I have better ways to spend my money. And they are the number one group against me now, and one of the reasons is imminent domain. They think I like imminent domain. Without imminent domain you wouldn't have roads, you wouldn't have schools, you wouldn't have anything. Not that I like it. I don't like it. It's, like, you wouldn't have a highway if you didn't have imminent domain. So anyway, no, and so, sometimes you will need a subsidy. Sometimes you will need tax abatements in order to get a job. For instance, I could've never built the Grand Hyatt Hotel, which was a very successful project which employed lots of people in a very time in New York without tax abatement. I mean, there are times when you need tax abatement in order to get something done. Otherwise, it's just never going to get built. It's a very simple formula. So they're living in a world of the make believe. The real world is that without certain tax abatements, you have a choice. The job could get built and you'll employ thousands of people building a massive job, or you don't have to have anything. It could just go stagnant, and a town can die, or a city can die, and something will get built. So there was an example. The Grand Hyatt Hotel, Ford had just said drop dead, and it was the big headlines all over the world, right? It was on the, I guess, the Daily News, but it was all over. It was the low point in the history of New York City. And without the tax subsidy, it wasn't a subsidy, it was the tax abatement. It was an abatement of real estate taxes. And without the tax abatement, it would've never gotten built. It's very simple. It would've sat for 20 years. So, yeah, and yet the true conservative philosophy is that a thing like that shouldn't happen. But they're in the world of the make believe. I'm a conservative, but I can tell you they're living in the world. Same thing with free trade. I'm a free trader, but not if you're going to make all bad deals. We don't make any deals. We lose money with everybody.
Grand Hyatt Hotel
imminent domain
tax abatement
Negative
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
landlords
Negative
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
lawyer
wrong word
good lawyer
mentor
Neutral
Donald Trump
wrong word
good lawyer
mentor
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Neutral