Interview: Donald Trump with Fisher, Kranish - The Washington Post - June 9, 2016


Interview: Donald Trump with Fisher, Kranish - The Washington Post - June 9, 2016

New York City
NATO
The Deal
The Washington Post
Manhattan
New York
people
Wall Street
Central Park South
World Trade Center
Negative
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Positive
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Donald Trump
funny
Negative
Marc Fisher
Positive
Marc Fisher
Pakistani
No
Neutral
Ivanka Trump
Donald Trump
Washington Post
Crosstalk
Don
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Ivanka
Ivanka. Nice
Crosstalk
Positive
Donald Trump
Ivanka Trump
Everything
Positive
Donald Trump Jr.
Donald Trump
endorsement
Don King
Negative
Ivanka Trump
Positive
Ivanka Trump
gosh
Negative
Marc Fisher
dream team
Neutral
Donald Trump
Negative
Marc Fisher
Dream team
team
Neutral
Donald Trump
dream team
Neutral
Ivanka Trump
Positive
Ivanka Trump
Awesome
Positive
Donald Trump Jr.
Ivanka Trump
Michael Kranish
couple
father questions
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Protestant
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Presbyterian
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Lutheran
Protestant
Neutral
Donald Trump
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Niagara Falls
Negative
Donald Trump
Niagara Falls
No
Negative
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Donald Trump
Positive
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Negative
Michael Kranish
Positive
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
Prince George
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Negative
Donald Trump
father
Negative
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Negative
Michael Kranish
Prince George's County
Prince George
housing development
County
Neutral
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Trump Village
Trump Village sort
Positive
Donald Trump
Swifton Village
Trump Village
Neutral
Marc Fisher
New York
York Military question
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Negative
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
something
Negative
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
I don't think so. I think that -- I was very happy doing whatever he is doing. I mean, fellows, I was really happy doing what I was doing. The company is really good. It's doing really well. We have now 121 jobs all over the world under negotiation, like we're opening one up in Vancouver. Very shortly I'm going to probably go there during the campaign. We're opening a magnificent building in Vancouver, Canada. I've been focusing worldwide on different things. We have 121 jobs right now. I haven't counted three or four days ago. So many jobs and they're either under construction or under very good negotiations, and they're great jobs. If it's around here, like Turnberry is opening. Now I own a 100 percent of Turnberry. Turnberry is one of the great resorts of the world. Here's a thing that just came out. I shouldn't even show this to you. This is Golf Digest. They're talking about the most important courses in the world and they're talking about the [unintelligible]. Those are the British Open courses. This guy rates the British open courses as 14 out of 14 courses so these are the elite. So they go, Turnberry is rated number 3 after St. Andrews and then another one. So they go, "If it weren't for Donald Trump, who owns it, I would have ranked it number 1. I would have ranked Turnberry number 1. But dropping it further down the list beyond 3 would have given Trump too much credit." Now there's a guy that hates Trump. That's a hater. So he said, Turnberry would have been number 1, except that I own it. Now, how do you write that? Isn't that disgusting? So they rated it number 3.
Turnberry
british open courses
Turnberry number
Negative
Marc Fisher
compliment
backhanded compliment
Positive
Marc Fisher
Positive
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Nixon
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Negative
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
letter
Yes
Neutral
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Rick Lazio
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Hillary Clinton
Neutral
Michael Kranish
all
Neutral
Donald Trump
Democratic
Democratic candidate
Neutral
Donald Trump
Hispanic
Hispanic candidate
Positive
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Neutral
Donald Trump
Neutral
Donald Trump
I don't talk that way. I really don't talk that way. I know that's probably an image, but I don't talk like that. I will say I had a good relationship with Governor Carey. He was a great guy. He was a great crisis person. He was unbelievable under crisis. What I did and maybe what you're talking about more is that I'm responsible for the Jacob Javits Convention Center. I'm totally responsible. I had the land under option from the Penn Central and they were trying to build a convention center opposite Hell's Kitchen, right on 44th Street on the other side of the West Side Highway, which was a problem by itself. You couldn't get across and all of this. They couldn't get their permits. Some things never change because you're building on the river. They spent millions – tens of millions of dollars and it was headed by a guy named Richard Ravitch, who was a highly overrated person, highly overrated. Ravitch fought like hell to have a convention center there and I was fighting for the site that I have because that was just a better site for New York. Governor Carey called a meeting and there were a hundred people that showed up. I led my team. Ravitch led his team. Ravitch worked for the city. I think he was the head of the MTA or something. He was working actually for the city or was like that. Governor Carey who was a great guy said, everybody else leave the room except for these two people. He said, Ravitch, make your case for 44th Street in the Hudson River and he made his case. He said, Donald, make your case and I made my case. I wasn't four minutes into it, he said, you win. It was easy. They bought the land. They took over my option. They bought the land. I was actually paid a commission which at the time was a lot of money but I didn't do it for that. The convention center which is right now there, the Jacob Javits Convention Center, that was my deal and, you know, a lot of people know that. I also renovated Grand Central Terminal as part of the Grand Hyatt Hotel. A lot of these things have been forgotten.
Jacob Javits Convention Center
convention center
Jacob Javits Convention
Javits Convention Center
Negative
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
tenants
Neutral
Marc Fisher
real estate broker
Negative
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Neutral
Marc Fisher
real estate broker
real estate broker
Neutral
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Positive
Marc Fisher
Positive
Donald Trump
I actually developed it. It was a great success. It's called Trump Parc. You know, sometimes, when people fight you, they give you great ideas and you make much more money. And what I was going to do, I had two buildings. I had the Barbizon and next to that, 100 Central Park South, which is what you're talking about. And I had rent control tenants in 100 Central. I still own the building. When somebody leaves, we fix up the apartment, sell it for millions of dollars. But what happened is I was going to rip both buildings down and do a big building, which would've been smaller than what they have in the site now because the zoning, it allowed fewer square feet. But I want to build a new building, great sight, Central Park South and Avenue of the Americas, right? So what happened is I had two buildings and couldn't make a deal with the tenants. Impossible. The thing went on for a long time. They were led by a group that was bad people. They would call the building inspectors. They would spray walls with water and then say that the apartment's leaking. I say nothing's leaking. They'd spray water on the wall. They were professionals because they wanted to be paid a fortune for their apartments. They would take cockroaches, break a jar of cockroaches and put cockroaches all over the place, which by the way, the tenants weren't thrilled about because they still got to live with these things. And they'd call the building inspector and say come in, you get a violation for having cockroaches, you get a violation for having leaks. This went on for a long time. And during the time it went on, the market crashed. Then it got good again and I said, wait a minute, I'm going to rip these buildings out. This is crazy. I'll just renovate the buildings and combine them physically. You see them there now. I combined them physically, saved hundreds of millions of dollars in cost, ended up with a bigger building. In other words, they're really combined. There's 100 Central Park South on the corner of 106 Central Park South and I sold them as condos. It was really successful. I made a lot of money. Had I ripped them down and done the whole thing, it would've been who knows. It would've taken much longer, probably would've missed the market but no, I was, yeah, I never intended --
Trump Parc
Barbizon
Americas
Central Park South
rent control tenants
long time
Negative
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Marc Fisher
Michael Kranish
renovation
Neutral
Donald Trump
Incredible. It's a beautiful building, one of the most beautiful buildings. That was the one with the green copper top and still the tallest building in the center, right opposite the New York Stock Exchange. When I bought it, I said, well, we have to renovate it. And we had this tenant -- just so you understand, it was owned by a New York family who was destroyed with it. And then it was owned by Koreans, and they never understood the New York's law system because you had tenants. Landlord-tenant relationship is different than any kind of a relationship that exists in New York, that exists anywhere. So these Koreans were given a tremendously hard time by these tenants. They wouldn't pay their rent, they owed about two years of rent. What happened, a law firm, and what happened they had floors 52 to 59 uptown, 52 to 59. Fairly big law firm and all sorts of law, including litigation, and they stopped paying the rent. They said you're not doing a good job with the building. They said, no, no, we have to have rent. We have to have rent. They said you're not doing a good job with the building. We're not going to pay. They went for years, for four years, they fought. Finally, they settled just before I got involved. They settled and they paid like 10 cents on the dollar. Period. Now, a month goes by and they stopped payment again, okay. They immediately stopped paying their rent again. And the Koreans were so incensed and so crazy that they said we will sell. They'd never seen anything like it. In other words, they made a deal after years. After, like, I guess it was three years of litigation they made a deal, and I bought the building. I took over the litigation because they owed a lot of money, so I took over the litigation and they were real wise guys. So there are those that say that I turned down the heat and that I turned off the elevator. I was in the building because I was very hands on when I built. I was in the building, I came down and there were like 120 lawyers standing in the lobby. And I was lucky I was with some very tough construction guys because it was brutal. And I said, fellas, you got to walk upstairs because the elevators are under repair. And so, there is that story. So, who knows? But all I know is I got a check for the full amount, 100 percent, millions of dollars of rent. I got a check for the whole thing and there was never any more litigation.
New York
law firm
Stock Exchange
rent
good job
Negative
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Negative
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
stories
funny stories
Positive
Donald Trump
Well, I've had very good relationships with some media and I've had very bad --I mean, Washington Post treats me horribly, okay? They write stuff that's really -- yeah. That's why I assumed the book is going to be not so good. But I feel like I have an obligation, like even in the stuff we talked. Certain corrections could be made, might as well get the story right whether it's 100 Central Park South or whether it's 40 Wall Street. People will tell their story their way and in many cases, not that important but it's sort of nice to have it. It's a book and it's important you guys are writing it, so might as well get it right. But I've seen tremendous dishonesty from the media. I've also had some great relationships with the media. You understand that. I have some people that are writers and people that are editors and some people that are top people, phenomenal people. I have great respect for the great writers. I've written many bestsellers, believe it or not. The Art Of The Deal is certainly one of the most successful books ever written in terms of business. I think it's the number one book ever written in terms of business. By the way, selling a lot of copies right now, they are selling. There was an article in the Times a month or two ago talking about one of the hottest booksellers is me, and I didn't even write it. I wrote Crippled America and that does well, but I didn't promote it, I didn't do anything and it still did great. But I'm selling a lot of books right now that I don't even know about because a lot of the past books that I've sold, I guess they've reprinted them and whatever. But I have great respect for writers and journalists, when they're honest. But there's such unbelievable dishonesty in the media.
Washington Post
America
The Deal
Central Park South
great respect
tremendous dishonesty
Positive
Marc Fisher
Michael Kranish
Marc Fisher
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Coke
Neutral
Marc Fisher
water
Neutral
Donald Trump
Water
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Yep
Positive
Unidentified Female
Marc Fisher
Unidentified Female
water
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Unidentified Female
Coke
Neutral
Michael Kranish
water
Negative
Unidentified Female
Neutral
Donald Trump
Water right
Water
Neutral
Marc Fisher
water
Neutral
Unidentified Female
Neutral
Donald Trump
And he was telling me about how China is absolutely taking advantage of the United States. [Indiscernible] we have the biggest bank in the world, we must stop on the way down. We have the biggest bank in the world a couple of floors down. And I have other Chinese in different places that I own, but he was talking about it. He said I'd like to send you a report. I said do me a favor, don't send me a report. Send me like three pages. Various different things about what they're doing with intellectual property. Stealing billions and billions of dollars and we do nothing about it. And he went into something, it was really great. But he said I'd love to be able to send you -- oh, boy, he's got a lengthy report, hundreds of pages. I said no, no, give me three pages. I'm a very efficient guy. Now, I could also do it verbally, which is fine. I'd always rather have -- but I want it short. There's no reason to do hundreds of pages because I know exactly what it is. One thing very important, about two months ago, two-and-ahalf, three months ago, Wolf Blitzer asked me about NATO. And in all fairness, I've been in the real estate business, I've been a dealmaker, I've been doing what I do, nobody ever asked me about NATO before. But I know about NATO. And he said, what are your feelings on NATO? This was three months ago. Here and now, I took [sounds like] him for three days, and then after that they say I think Trump is right. It's like they can't see the forest for the trees. So I said what do you want to know? What do you think of it? I don't know if it was a trick question or not, I don't think so actually. But I said, look, NATO is obsolete because it doesn't cover terrorism. And today our problem is terror. It's not the Soviet Union, which doesn't exist anymore, although I give Russia full credit. You can still use NATO for Russia because while it's not as big as the Soviet Union, it's probably more powerful because of new weaponry. But I said to him, but it doesn't cover terror and you have the wrong countries if you're talking about terror. It's a different set of countries. You know terror, as we are watching. And I said, also, the countries that are in NATO are not paying their fair share. And that was with very little knowledge other than the knowledge I had plus the words common sense because I have a lot of common sense and I have a lot of business ability. So what do you mean they're not paying? I said they're not paying. We're defending all of these countries, 28 countries. We're defending all of these countries, and many of them aren't paying, or they're not paying their fair share. Okay, so that was the end of it and it got a lot of [indiscernible]. And then a lot of people went crazy. They said, "Oh, Trump said it's obsolete. NATO is great. Like Hillary Clinton, she said he doesn't like NATO. I think NATO is great but it's obsolete. It doesn't cover terrorism and the countries. So it turned out experts have said Trump understood NATO better than any of us, and we have been studying it for years. They were so close to it. They said he's right, it doesn't cover terrorism. And they do patchwork for terrorism, but it doesn't cover terrorism. And he's right. These countries are not paying us. And the ones that are paying us, are not paying us what the agreement says which is 2 or 3 percent of GDP, et cetera et cetera. They're way behind; they're not paying. Okay, so all of that forgotten, right? And a lot of people said, man, he was more accurate than guys have studied it all the time." So now, four days ago, Wall Street Journal, front page, NATO to open up terrorist operation. A new general's being appointed, a big front page story. Now, if they mention my name, that Donald Trump complained about it, that was all this - - Donald Trump complained about it. I'm responsible for it because I was hitting them that NATO was obsolete because they don't study -- so I wasn't given any credit, a hundred percent. I have somebody that's very familiar with NATO, actually in NATO said if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't even be thinking about doing this. So maybe the Washington Post is going to give me some credit, who knows.
NATO
biggest bank
Various different things
Negative
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Michael Kranish
Indiscernible
Negative
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
money
Negative
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
things
individual things
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
public
Crosstalk
Neutral
Donald Trump
woman
Fifth Avenue
beautiful woman
Avenue
Neutral
Marc Fisher
Marla
Neutral
Marc Fisher
dog
White dog
Negative
Marc Fisher
Crosstalk
Negative
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Well, I think that -- look the market's crashed. You couldn't sell -- a building that was worth a lot of money, an apartment -- for instance, I was doing a big job on the East Side called Trump Palace which is a very successful job right now. But I was doing a big job on the East Side called Trump Palace. When it opened, there were lines of people wanting to buy apartments during construction. I opened a sales office. When the building was completed, if a person would call up and say maybe I'll come over and look, we considered that a tremendously successful week. You understand? That's what happens. I'll never forget Charles Allen. Do you know Charles Allen from Allen & Company, great man. He was a much older man than me. I was young, he was old. I was building this building. And this building did great from the beginning. You guys would say that this was a success from day one - Trump Tower. But I was across the street at Harry Winston watching the construction. And he walked by, he was the head of Allen & Company, they had an office right down the road on Fifth Avenue. And he goes, "Donald, how are you?" And I wasn't so famous then. But he knew me, I knew him. And he was one of them great people of Wall Street, one of the great, Allen & Company. And he was the boss, the founder, the boss, the whole thing. And he was an amazing guy, a tough guy. And, [indiscernible] said this building is so successful. Charles, I just sold an apartment to Johnny Carson. I sold it, I was doing great with it. He goes, "That's great, but you know, there'll be a time when a building like this, or any building, you won't be able to sell apartments for any price." And I said, no way, no way no way. And he was right, because from 1990 to '93, you couldn't give away apartments or real estate. So, you know, the world changed, but it was a very interesting period.
Harry Winston
Allen & Company
Trump Palace
Trump Tower
Charles Allen
big job
Positive
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Negative
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Negative
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Neutral
Donald Trump
Okay. Totally. She's a great person. She was fine, and so did Rowanne Brewer. I mean, the whole place was like -- that was a horrible for the Times, believe me. You saw that picture. Front page, centerfold, Sunday Times, big picture, me with beauty contestants. Then they had them saying, a little bad, not -- by the way, not horrible by standards. You understand. Friends of mine said, man, nice person but stuff. Rowanne Brewer got up. She's all over television saying, "That's not what I said. We have great respect for Donald Trump. I really like Donald Trump. He's a really good guy." Carrie Prejean got on television and said. I mean, I thought it was amazing that she said -- no. But here's what I did. When I bought the pageants, they were failing. I bought them fairly inexpensively. I then made a deal with CBS to air it. But you'd have a hundred beautiful women, let's say, in Miss Universe than you have 50 in Miss USA. You'd pick judges. But the judges didn't know what they were doing. You had two sets of judges. You had judges that would be there for a week-and-a-half, then you had celebrity judges for the final night. So you'd pick. And they wouldn't pick the women that should've been in the finals. They picked women that -- So I developed a system where everybody would be on stage. And I would go with numerous people from CBS. Then ultimately, NBC picked it up, television. We would talk and see the people. We would talk to as many as a hundred on Miss Universe and for Miss USA, 50. I'd be on stage and I talk. We would pick the top 15 smartest, most beautiful women. Once I got involved, the ratings went up greatly. It became very successful and I made a great deal. The pageants did very well. But they would pick women that maybe -- and I don't say this in any way. Look, it is a beauty pageant, okay? It's about beauty. I was happy. We can't be ashamed of it. It's a beauty pageant. But we'd pick women that were outstanding, and the ratings went great. Then ultimately, I sold it. Plus, I didn't think it was great for me to be owning a beauty pageant while I'm running for president.
CBS
beauty pageant
Rowanne Brewer
Donald Trump
Positive
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
So The Apprentice, so I had great success. I then did The Art of the Deal. The Art of the Deal became the number one best seller on the Times list. In fact, I was there with Bonfire of the Vanities. We were both two massively successful books, one fiction, one nonfiction that was on the list for a long, long time. Both of them were on the list. They were up there for a long time. So I had been number one bestselling. Then I did The Apprentice. As you know, it became one of the most -- take a look at that. Maybe get up. Take a look right over the light switch. That's Variety. Check it out. It was the number one show. And that's Variety. It's a very successful show. So I did that. By the way, in that chair sat Steve Burke where you're sitting, came up to see, me wanting to extend it. You can't do it because of the equal time provisions, which is frankly ridiculous. But I wouldn't have time to do it, anyway, to be honest with you. But they wanted to extend The Apprentice. I did it for 14 seasons, which is about 12 years because we did some -- then we had Martha do one and it failed. Failure's very simple in that business. If you don't get ratings, you fail. That's not a very complicated thing. You either get ratings or you don't. And I get ratings, okay? The king of ratings. They call me the king of ratings at NBC. So even after 14 seasons, they wanted me to extend me for a long period of time. I said no. Steve Burke came up himself. Steve Burke doesn't ever talk to talent. Steve is a great guy and a great manager, but he doesn't go around talking to people to go into a show, extend the show. But he came up here with the executives at NBC. They wanted me to do it so badly - I think I maybe told you this — a number of months before I announced and I said, "Steve, I'm going to run. I'm pretty sure I'm going to run. I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure I'm going to run." They went out actually at the Upfront, which is where they announced the program. They announced that I was going to do The Apprentice, which caused me a lot of problem with the Washington Post and lots of others because, wait a minute, Trump's not going to run because they just announced. And I said I'm not doing it. He was pretty sure I wasn't going to run. Anyway, so I announced I was going to run. They chose Arnold Schwarzenegger. We did because I have a big chunk of that show. They chose Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's doing the show. We'll see how he does. It's already been shot actually. What happened is I decided to do this. People ask me the question oftentimes, so you're the number one bestseller. You did a show that was a tremendous hit, oftentimes number one. I mean you see it. In fact, I think it had the highest rating of the year, Show 1. It was with Bill Rancic. Had the highest rating of the year after the Super Bowl. You had this tremendous success in book. You had tremendous success in television, entertainment. Now, you're doing very well politically. What's the biggest? I tell you there's no contest. This is a monster. I mean this is such a big thing. I tell people, it's not even a contest. You know, when I did The Apprentice and the show went to number one, that was a very big thing. That is peanuts compared to what this is. Now, what this is, is more important from a lot of different ways including making America great again, which is what I want to do. The country's being run so incompetently. But this is, you know, hundreds of times more, more important.
Steve Burke
massively successful books
number
Negative
Donald Trump
Yes. It's hard for me to get into an army tank and to literally, you know, those things. By the way, Secret Service people are great people, but at -- let me give you one more story before. And then if you want we can do another one or whatever, but I've got to go because I have a lot of people. You know, the vans they have are armor-plated. These are not like -- they're SUVs but their side walls are steel, et cetera, et cetera. And the other day, I came down and we had thousands of people on Fifth Avenue waiting, thousands of people on 56th Street which was closed, at least a hundred Secret Service agents, and my wife. The car's parked on the sidewalk right next to the glass. I don't know if you've seen it. They park it on the sidewalk. It's pulled on to the sidewalk on 56th Street right in front of the building. Some of the wealthiest people in the world live in Trump Tower, including from India, from all over. They're held back. They can't -- and these guys are worth billions. They're held back like can't move, stand. But they like me so it doesn't matter. They understand. I get out, I get into the car. Thousands of people. What they do is they close the street and thousands of people form in the corner waving, going crazy and all these Secret Service. And my wife gets in, and I get it in, and she looks at me, and we're in this car with windows that are this thick, with steel walls that are like this. And she says to me, "Are you sure this is what you want for the rest of your life?" Okay, I wanted to tell that because it was funny. It's happened the other day. It's not like a normal situation.
Secret Service
Fifth Avenue
Trump Tower
people
56th Street
Negative
Marc Fisher
Unidentified Female
Unidentified Female
Neutral
Michael Kranish
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Marc Fisher
Marc Fisher
president
best president
lifetime
Positive
Donald Trump
Well, I really liked him. I really liked his energy. I liked his heart. I disagreed with him on trade. I thought he was far too weak on trade. And I disagreed with him on the border. He was weak on the border. But in terms of a feeling, I loved his attitude on Iran. He released those prisoners. I loved what happened in Iran and Reagan as opposed to Jimmy Carter where they would've kept those people for a hundred years. But I felt he gave a great tone to the country. I disagreed with him on trade. I totally disagreed with him on trade. Reagan has been given a bad rap though because Reagan thought, very strongly thought that -- everybody thought that Reagan was NAFTA. And Reagan wasn't NAFTA. It was Bill Clinton that was NAFTA. Bill Clinton signed that bill. And what Bill Clinton did is for the people that followed him, he made life miserable because NAFTA, I mean they cleaned out New England. They cleaned out upstate New York. They cleaned out big manufacturing. You have to see I have statisticians, and one in particular who very good. And before I'd speak in like Albany, Syracuse, he'd do reports on the various people on various places. I mean, 55 percent of the manufacturers is gone in the last X number of years. And I get the next one. Forty-nine percent. It was always like between 45 and 55 and 60 percent every place I'd go to. It was NAFTA. It was signed by Bill Clinton. People used to think it was Reagan. It wasn't. Anyway, I'll see you again. We'll do it again. I enjoyed this.
Reagan
NAFTA
upstate New York
Positive
Michael Kranish
Positive
Marc Fisher
Donald Trump
Michael Kranish
Trump
Mr. Trump
Positive
Donald Trump
fellas
Positive