Mr. Trump, you lost a couple of pounds. Sit down I can't hear you. He's TV thin, he's TV thin. He's TV thin. He's TV thin. Yeah. Now let me ask you something, does he always wear a pink tie? You always wear a pink tie number one. No, no. You do not? No, very seldom. You look good Really? Really if it's an important occasion like this [Inaudible] What did you do? You lost some weight, be honest. I would say maybe five founds, nothing spectacular. Really? Yeah. This was the gain weight after the wedding. So much television does that you -- Yeah, yeah. You look good or there's something, you look good. You look good too even if you have a cold I guess. Don't worry I won't go near you. No, no I don't care. No, no. I heard you this morning saying you had a cold. I have a cold, I tried, thought you were late. I thought you were not gonna show up when you heard I had a cold. No, well. You were just as nuts as I am. I can't dress. [Inaudible] Yeah yeah, I know. He's wearing a mask. You just can't see it. See, if you're strong you won't get it. Well... I'm around people with colds all the time. If you have a strong immune system, it won't ... I ... I got caught. I got caught at a low point. I didn't get enough sleep. And that's what happened. [Inaudible] Okay, but what about the whole shaking hands thing? I mean I have a guy come up to me the other day sneezing all over the place he greets me, he's saying, 'Donald Hello.' You know it's terrible it's just terrible. That's how I got this. My father was sick and he touched me. Well... And the first time he ever tried to touch you. My kids made him touch me. [Inaudible] They said why don't you put your arm around your son? That's when I got it. That's what happened. Well, it's usually hand to hand. I mean if you just touch your clothing I don't think you should be sick. You know, it's good to see you. It's nice to see you, [Inaudible] You know I like seeing you 'cause you're honest. That's true. You come in here. You talk about everything I see all over the place trash and Dan Rather... Brutally honest <short laughter> And I like that. You know I admire that. Well, Dan was not too great. [Inaudible] You hated him. Well, you know... He did something [Inaudible]. No, no... He did something to you. He had me on '60 Minutes' and he did nothing but be nice to me and he was great. And then all of a sudden, at the end, I go on and he starts to do numbers like, 'you're a vicious, horrible human being, why...' [Inaudible] It was just a question. Is this the same guy that was just so nice to me? He's terrible and you know I never understood, he got such bad ratings. That's true. How did the guy who was number three for years stay on the air?So he's got something. I think he has something on the officials over at CBS. Did you ever walk up to him face to face after he did this number on you and say, 'You are a scumbag.'? Many times. You did? Yeah many times. I didn't see him at George Steinbrenner box. Right. I'd give him the finger about two feet away. Really? Yeah. Do things that [Inaudible[actually people that were with me couldn't even believe what was happening. You would be sitting there in the box... Yeah. ... The guest of Mr. Steinbrenner. Right. And Dan Rather would be aghast. And he would flip him the bird that is stand there and hold it up to him. Absolutely correct. Wow. And what would he do? He would do nothing. Nothing? And he'd call and say, 'Donald, let's get together. Let's have lunch and we really ought to get together.' Really? Yeah and I'd say, 'No, thank you.' And, he would do everything possible to be nice but it didn't matter because when the game was on, he wasn't nice. Right. When you need him... He unfair. When -- Right. Hey, I don't care about -- you know -- guys. But he was unfair. He was unfair to you because he was acting one way off-camera and then acted another way on-camera. Exactly. Well that's how I feel about Katie Couric. Yes, it's the same thing that happened to you. When she gives you a hard time? Well, I ... I very rarely do these interviews because who needs them? I got my own radio show. I don't need to be interviewed. Right. I interview myself all day. I'm sick of hearing myself. To be honest with you. [Inaudible] That's true. So I, I walked in. It was... My movie was coming out and I agreed to do everything. And I bet today's show wanted an exclusive. I gave it to them, I walked in Katie Couric says, 'I got to tell you something... I love you.' I said, 'Thank you.' She goes, 'I saw your movie. It was fantastic. I loved this movie.' I said, 'Thank you.' And the camera goes on and she starts in with me, 'You're disgusting, obscenity, and decency, FCC' I said, 'Let's talk about the movie. Didn't you just tell me off-camera that you loved the movie? 'I never said that. I never said that,' she said. I said, 'Get out of here.' [Inaudible] 'Get out.' Leave your studio. Leave your own studio. I couldn't believe it. Wow. And look at at your wedding. She snuck in a camera. You said, 'No cameras.' And she snuck -- Did you have her thrown out? Well, she did... No, I didn't have her thrown out. I heard about it a little bit later. But, she was fun. You know, it does happen. Actually, I remember that with you. It was pretty violent, right? Violent. Terrible. It was pretty vicious. Well the same thing happened to me and Dan Rather, I mean it was the exact same thing, 'Donald, there's nobody like you. You're my favorite entrepreneur, you're the greatest guy in the country...' Then the camera goes on, and all of a sudden it's like, trash time, so -- I like that you gave him the finger. I like that you walked up to him face to face, and told him off and that was it. Right. Now how is the marriage going? I'm wondering if it's still hot or are you really... Hot. Really? Very hot. She looks good. I got to tell you, I keep checking the newspaper, every picture, to make sure she doesn't hit the wall. You're going to be there that day, huh? You're gonna check. You're gonna make sure. I will. You know she has great beauty but she's a great beauty inside which is almost as important. [Inaudible] Not really, not probably. [Inaudible] Yeah, but in a way she might go completely Probably not. Almost as important... Be honest with me, I want you to... 'Cause you've always been honest. Right. I want you to be hypothetical Go ahead. Melania is in a horrible car accident, and I don't wish this on her. You know that. Right. I've, I've spent time with her. She' a lovely woman. Luckily she survives. She survives. And, she likes you too. Yes. She survives. Okay. Fairly. Her body -- Nope. Her body is fine except for the fact that her left arm is paralyzed now. Right. It's useless. Okay. It hangs there like a slab of meat. Right. On her face now, because of the hundred stitches she received to her face. Most of her face was intact except on the left side. Her eye. There was a big red blotch, and it oozes... [Inaudible] Oh, dear. Right, true. Quite constantly. The doctors can't do anything for it. So aside from the gimpy arm -- Right. The left eye oozes, and the fact that her foot was mangled... [Inaudible] She's perfect. How did the breast look? [Inaudible] The breasts are OK. OK. Well that's important. And would you be able to stay in a relationship with her? Totally. No question in my mind. I, I don't believe it. No, how good is that answer? I mean, it's... [Inaudible] That is if... No, no. I would have... You are as shallow as I am. No, no I have... I am shallow generally speaking. No, I have a great relationship. If something negative happened to Melania, I would be there for her 100%. You would? I will stay with her. Yes. 100%. Really? Yes. And, you are known for being around beautiful women, you are known, that's part of your image in a sense. Well, I don't know if I believe that's true. Do you believe him? No. It's, it's. No it's true. [Inaudible] I don't believe you for a minute. I know he's already calculating what it's going to cost him... How to get out of there! In terms of public relations and everything else. You're gonna take care of her all right. You're going to take a hard hit on that one. No I would, I would stay with her 100% You would. I have no doubt in my mind. But you have great timing, you'll know when to leave. I know you. Just before the accident, he'll know when the accident has been happening. You will know when the accident's been happening. [Inaudible] Well, this people will be installing the walls! [Inaudible] Believe me, the minute she gets a gray hair, he's going to get, 'You're fired!' [Inaudible] Trust me. Listen, there's nothing wrong with that. You have an image, you're used to beautiful women. And it is Melania's job in the sense to stay beautiful. Sure. Well, she is beautiful, but... And she will always remain beautiful. Of course, car accidents do, do wonders. [Inaudible] Right. There's no question about that. The love making is still incredible? Extraordinary. Really? Absolutely extraordinary. And nothing has slowed down since the wedding? No. The same. And your wedding night? Did you have sex on wedding night? Then you were invited to the wedding, you know that. I didn't make it. I'm sorry. You're the only one who didn't make it. I'm sorry. I owe you a present though. You were only the major celeb that didn't make it. And the reason I didn't make it and I forget why. Why didn't I make it? I forget what was happening there something... You can't... I, my daughter... Yeah, something was going on with you then. Yeah, I was then with my daughter, but but... But I was a little happy that you didn't make it because the last wedding, you killed me. [Inaudible] He stands on television, every television cameras on how I had 500 celebrities there. They chose Howard and he had a line that will never be forgotten, that there wasn't a white eye in the house. [Inaudible] Well not only that, I made the prediction that the marriage would not last. Well, you were wrong and. And, you said it wouldn't last three months and it actually lasted a little bit longer than that. That's true. [Inaudible] That's true. I think it lasted six months. Three years. But you know this one is going to last? Oh yeah, this is a real deal. This is the last one? No no. This. Yes. This is the real deal. [Inaudible] I can't wait to take this when it's over. No, no this is. The problem with you -- This is great. The problem with you is you don't know yourself. Oh, you might be right about that. I'm telling you. I know you. You might be right. Someone is going to come along. Why did you get married? I still can't understand it. Well you know that's a long story but I met somebody who was great Robin, and I mean you go -- the hunt -- Did she pressure you? The hunt is a great thing. We all love the hunt. But why did you get married? She didn't pressure me at all because I felt it was the right thing to do, Number one and I think... Why? ...she's special. If I didn't think she was special, I wouldn't have gotten married... But you don't need to be married. Because this were just another really wonderful woman, I wouldn't have done it. This is beyond that. So I want a great relationship... And you can have more kids? I think so, yeah. Really? Believe it. Yeah, sure. I would. What do you need that headache for? 'Cause I like kids. I mean, I won't do anything to take care of them. She'll think I'll supply the funds and she will take care of the kids, right? [Inaudible] But -- And then what's happened is, you know. It's not like I'm going to be walking the kids down Central Park. What, are you feeling like you have an empty nest or something? Well Marla used to say I can't believe you're not walking Tiffany down the street you know in the carriage, right? Yeah. Right. I'm gonna be walking down Fifth Avenue with the baby in a carriage. It just didn't work. Melania is very very self -- I mean, she'd be an amazing mother. Right. And she's self-contained, she doesn't need you involved. She would take care -- great care of the child without my having to do very much. But aren't you like me in a sense you're the child that needs the caring? You need Melania focused on you. Well, that's true. And she may forget about me if that happens. And that would be a sad situation, she may... Because I think that's what happened with Marla. She's busy with this kid and she's not... Well... Focused on your needs and you admit you need that. But you know when I married Marla, I owed 9.2 billion to the banks right? Right. You were in there And I wasn't totally focused and -- I had, I think... And she was wonderful. Marla was wonderful. But you know not necessarily for me but she was wonderful. But I owed so much to the banks that I wasn't necessarily thinking. And, I married Marla and again she gave me a beautiful daughter and -- Right. I had a great daughter so I'm very happy about it. And Marla is a wonderful woman but you know I was thinking about a lot of other things. How are you going to have a daughter or son with Melania and not be there at all? You got it. She's gonna put pressure on you to be a father and take the kids for a goddamn walk once in a while. Then go to school and -- Yeah. Gets to school play. It's not your scene. It, you know... Let me ask you something... And Melania... It's not really my scene. I have to tell you it's not my thing. But, she'll be... She'll be very good about it. I think I'll have to go to a minimum of school plays... Right. .. If any. But let me ask you something... Does the kid have to live with you? Yeah. Oh, do you -- Probably. Probably. ...are you going to have it set up a separate household? I would think, yeah... Set up a separate apartment. I would think, somehow I would think the child has to at least live there, yes. And how are you going to feel, you... You want to take off for the weekend to Palm Beach. There it goes. Now all of a sudden Melania goes, <imitates her accent> 'We've got to bring nanny. We've got to bring, ah, extra suitcase we've...' She's so self-sufficient. How was that impression by the way? That, I won't hear... That was good. That was my impression. I was listening. That was a perfect Melania. I was listening, I didn't want to comment... 'Oh my God, the suitcase...' [Inaudible] But I wanted to ask what he did with these younger children because he wasn't 'the Donald' when they were born? He was busy making a career. But, but were you there more often? Actually I've always been a very good father. If you ask my children who's been the best, I think a lot of them would choose me. But I've always been a really good father and I've liked being a father but I don't do too much work. All right. What about when Melania gets stretched out? Big belly, fat ass from carrying a baby... Sagging all over the place. Sagging all over the place. You'll so love her totally. No, you won't. Yes. It's a -- you're not that way. No, no I totally love it. There's no doubt in my mind. Right. Now... It's not just her physical being. And besides that she's listening right now. [Inaudible] Martha Stewart is getting an apprentice-type show, right? That is correct. Now you're up for it. So that leads me to believe that you are being paid... Well I own, I own it with Mark Burnett. Right. Oh you do? But are you two fighting? Yes, I own the Apprentice. Who, Martha Stewart? Yeah. No, I love the idea that she's doing a show. I own it with Mark Burnett. So Martha Stewart is doing the show and Mark Burnett and myself in it. Will she be successful? I think so yeah, I hope so... You're banking on it? And I certainly hope so. I mean I don't know if she can have the kind of success we've had with 'The Apprentice' but she's going to do her version of 'The Apprentice.' And I don't think she'll use the term 'You're fired,' and things like... Right. You know I've done. But I think it will be successful. Robin, what do you think? You're going to watch it right? Ah, no. [Inaudible] Why not? I, I mean I'm sure I might watch it. I can't say for sure that I'd watch it. She's spanks me about watching it. Thank you. She started it, she really helped you out on that one. You need, you need more success. Why do I... She doesn't really want you to be successful. Well I hope it's gonna be successful. Well, who knows, who knows about television? Do you realize there are people out there who root that you don't have a success? Oh absolutely. With Martha Stewart. Because they're, they're jealous of your success. Well I mean that absolutely is true. You should leave something for the rest of us. Robin and I are among them. Don't forget Howard, when I did 'The Apprentice,' Right. Nobody thought it was going to be a success. You know, they only signed me for one series. That's right. They said, 'Hey.' And then it went to the number one show on television as you remember. That's true. And they came to my office and they dropped to their knees, NBC please... Literally to their knees. Literally to their knees, 'Sign, sign.' So they signed me up for two more now...they just... The ratings continue to be tremendous, so they just signed me up for two more. Are you going to watch Robin's new TV show? Yes. He will. I will. Oh my, thank you. You know then I'll give you the Stewart intro That's our deal. She's gonna watch Martha and I'm gonna watch... [Inaudible] Have you met with Martha Stewart since she's been a member of the show? No, I spoke to her. She's you know she's getting her life back. And that was a tough deal. That's a bad deal. And you know she is very brave, Howard. How many people have you known that have gotten in that kind of trouble and they're reduced to rubble? Right. And she handled it and she was a brave person. Beyond woman, I mean she was a brave person. And she came back from it. She came back. I think she's going to be bigger than ever. So you know I hope so, and I hope the show is going to be a big success. Now what about this? You're, you're now promoting once again, the Miss USA pageant tonight at 9 o'clock. Which is a bad thing to own when you're married. I agree with it. Yeah I mean you could -- That's a tough one. I own Miss Universe too. The years that you had Miss Universe... Right. And of course Miss USA... Miss USA, yes. Was there a time that you would actually have sex with some of the contestants? No, I never comment on things like that. So you did? No, I don't comment on it -- [Inaudible] What do you mean you don't comment? You comment on everything. You know, I, that's true. [Inaudible] Well, Donald. Come clean. How many... It's terrible. How many contestants... But I never comment on things like that. How many contestants did you ball? I mean, you know the stuff that I never comment you know from other people, I don't comment on my personal life right? Sure you do. I do actually. Absolutely. Give us the first letter, the first letter of the country you had sex with. [Inaudible] I mean, could you... How many letters are they? Give me a hypothetical in your words, you're Donald Trump, you own the pageant, you're there, you're meeting the girls and one is more beautiful than the next. Well, I've owned the pageant for a long time. You know the Miss Universe pageant is amazing because you have ninety seven countries and every... I mean no matter what you looking for, you have them in... But what is 'you have them in'? Yes. If you like them a little bit dark, a little bit light, tall, short. I like them a little dark. I like them, although there aren't too many short ones unfortunately. But if you like 'em any of the most beautiful women in the world, Miss USA the same thing. And, it's by the way it's on tonight at 9 o'clock... But that's a great thing to buy! And the women are beautiful. But they should do... No, that's one of the great assets I have. You know people consider, 'What do you like better? That or Trump Tower?' I say, 'Oh I like the Miss USA concept.' But that's a great thing to buy! Think about that. But explain to me, I'm not letting you off the hook on that. Go ahead. So when you were single... Right. You own this pageant, you go over, you look, you're meeting the girls, is that, one of them comes up to you and says, 'Mr. Trump, you're very sexy man...' 'You're a beautiful man, you have fantastic hair.' Well, 'you are a powerful man' [Inaudible] Right? Right? You are a powerful man Right. I want to sleep with you. Now, you're not the type that would say no. I, I don't want to hurt their feelings. Right. No. But what I mean... Right. You see a beautiful woman, you want to, you want to have that. You're the guy who likes to have everything, right?. Well, couldn't that be construed however as -- Conflict? Yes. Well... I don't, I don't see it as conflict It could be a conflict of interest. But you know it's the kind of thing you worry about later. Oh, I see. [Inaudible] You tend to think about the conflict a little bit later on. The question is how can that not be construed? No, I mean some of these foreign girls you know, <in their own accents> 'Mr. Trump, in my country we say hello with the vagina.' Ha ha ha. And... Well, you could also say, 'It's the owner of the pageant it's your obligation to do that.' So, so you have done that? Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that I'll go backstage before a show. Yes. And everyone is getting dressed and ready, and everything else and then there are no men or anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting it. Right. You know I'm inspecting it, I wanna make sure that everything is You're like a doctor, you need to be there. Yeah, the dress... 'Is everyone okay? Is everybody okay and you see this incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that, but... Tell me first time, tell me the first time you had sex with one of the contestants and what that was like. Take us through the whole experience... Please share with us, share with my audience who never gets to have sex with Miss USA. Is everybody going to be watching tonight? [Inaudible] Oh, we'll make sure. Well, just say it as, he gets to sleep with the winner. So, that's one of the prizes. Have you ever sat with the winner? The winner, you know the sad part. The winner isn't always the most beautiful. Is that right? The winner is not always the most beautiful. You're right. Oftentimes you'll have women in the back and girls, women in the back that are so beautiful and you can't believe what happened. How did they not make the final? Yeah, what's wrong with those judges? Right. And you know the judges picked somebody that shouldn't be there and you have these incredible people that are standing in the background watching somebody else being crowned. So often times the winner is not the most beautiful. Now in the Miss Universe contest, I don't know if you've seen the winner, or I think you had her on your show... Yeah. Yes. Jennifer. Right. And Jennifer is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. Good looking... She's beautiful she's incredible. She's a nice girl... Miss USA Shandi, she's done a great job. She's been a great... Alright, explain something. I'm trying to get out of this. I know, I know. You're talking as fast as you can. How am I doing?... I'm just going on my own way. I'm just going to talk about when you had sex with me. But we'll get back to that. The thing with beauty pageants, some of them like Miss America, have gone downhill because the chicks had too uptight. Right. Yeah, Miss America has even lost its... Network. How can you ensure my audience right now? How can you tell them, explain to them why they should watch tonight? What insurances do we have that the chicks will be almost naked, and what will they be doing? Well, well I'll tell you what. Go ahead. You know, when I bought Miss USA, Miss Universe it was a sick puppy. Right. And I bought her for a sick puppy prize, okay? Good. And then I made sure that the women were really beautiful because they were getting a little bit not as beautiful and it's a sad thing to say, Right. Some of your people will get very well, that your audience probably would understand this better than most. Your point is that they were starting to take women who were educated over women who were hot? And they eliminated them. They had a person who was extremely proud that a number of the women had become doctors. Right, who cares? And that was an insult to them. That was not what you were looking for. Not. This is a beauty pageant. I actually went on 'The Today Show' with Katie Couric a while ago six years ago and we had a woman running the pageant who was really into the whole thing of education and everything, and I said, 'Look, if you're looking for a rocket scientist, don't turn in tonight... Right. But, if you're looking for a really beautiful woman, you should watch.' Absolutely. The head of the Miss Universe contest blew up, she went crazy 'How dare you say that? That was a terrible thing to say.' You know in other words, Howie, the women are really, really beautiful. Right. That's my point. It's a beauty pageant. It's a beauty pageant. I'd rather have a retarded hot woman than a slob who's a doctor. Right. What happened is [Laughter] I had that expression, because when I took it over, it wasn't getting good ratings. And as you know last year, we won the ratings night the entire evening Miss USA won Miss Universe... Because the chicks were hot... Yes, and Miss Universe is one of the highest rated shows anywhere in the world because it's the podcast all over the world so it's really become a hot thing. I've made it hot. I'm very proud of that. And people said, 'How did you do that?' And I jokingly said the heels got higher and the bathing suits got smaller. Either bikinis... That's absolutely true! And then they said I was joking, And then I realized, 'Why am I defending myself because that happened? Are they thongs? [Inaudible] They are almost thong-like. Right. You know NBC, if it were up to me they'd get smaller. But NBC has certain standards so they're sort of thong-like. And what do you have the girls doing besides walking around in their bathing suit? Well, all they do is walk back and forth. We put lots of bathing suit on... Right. And you know as you know Miss America which used to be the standard. Miss America was the standard. Now Miss USA is at a much higher standard. How old are the girls? Well I'm, Well I'm trying to buy Miss America. How old are the girls? Anywhere from 18 to 23, 24. Perfect. No, no older than 24 I hope. Yeah and Howard, I don't know if you remember this, one of the most beautiful winners we ever had was from Russia. Yes. Oxana... You're right, yeah. Yes, I remember her. She came in here. Yeah I remember. Oxana Fedorova, and she... You did her right? No, she left this office [Inaudible] No I didn't. That was Oxana, no. Hi Oxana, how have you been? You didn't do here, I had the feeling you were doing her. But she left, she left, she was totally beautiful... She wanted you? She was never the same after she left this interview. Really? [Inaudible] That's true. Oh stop it. No, no. Remember she had her interpreter. Yes. And you were asking her unbelievable questions. [Inaudible] Do you remember the one question you started out? What was it? I don't want to tell you because I'm going to get in trouble. But if, if I will quote you... Yes. You said, 'Have you ever slept with a black man?' Right. And, and but I... That was your first question... But I wanted to hear the guy interpret it and say it to her and watch her friends. Right, the interpreters have to... The interpreters did not have to... ...interpret that. ... But Oksana wasn't thrilled with the question. Yeah Right. You remember this? Oh yeah yeah yeah. And this interview, I don't know if you know, went all over Russia... Right. It was scandal all over Russia. And everybody told me, 'Don't do it don't put on Howard' and I said, 'No I want to do it he's a friend of mine.' And it gets great ratings and he's all these other things, 'he's a great friend of mine.' It was a disaster, Howard. Right. So I actually looked at her about two months into it. She was very bad, she was not doing her job, she wouldn't go anywhere, she was spoiled rotten <Howard's laughter> because she was born so beautiful, and I said, "Oxana And you got rid of her, I remember. It's first time in the history, 65 years the first time in history that a Miss Universe, God she wouldn't do anything. What do you mean you're trying to buy Miss America? How much does that cost? Well I'm trying to buy it. I'm trying to buy for nothing. You know... Right. I'm trying to buy it. What are you willing to pay? Be honest. Well, as little as possible. What do you have to pay for something who has nothing? Well it has nothing, it's losing audience and it lost network Maybe I'll buy it, call it 'Howard Stern's Miss America.' That would probably do very well. It's basically the same theory as I have. But seriously how much money will it cost you to buy Miss America? Well it's not the money that it cost me to but some money it'll cost me to fix it. It needs a lot of help. I see And you know they lost their television contract... Yeah. ...so I'd have to get them on television, which I think I could do because of my ratings with NBC I have a lot of power in it. How do you call? You know two years ago, it's like, 'Forget about it, Trump's going' Now it's like, 'Donald what would you like us to do, you want to broadcast it? We'll let you broadcast.' Who owns Miss America? Well, it's owned by a big foundation and that's really the problem. It's a foundation that sort of, you know, gives a lot of money to women Right. ...wanting to go to college, wanting to be educated. Oh, that's stupid. Again, it's an education thing... So it's not like just a money losing deal, it's like one of these foundation things, so it's a little bit complicated. Yeah But maybe we'll do, but they, you know they lost their television. Yeah, what do you, what do you think of the idea that some people have floated of making it more like a reality show? I don't think it's could. So they can have it go more than one night. I don't think it's good. No? No, I think it's good if we do it later on. Oh I see. [Inaudible First I'd like to buy it. No, I don't think it's a good idea. So, so you are going to buy Miss America then you'll own three of these beauty pageants... I'll have a monopoly on beauty pageants. Wow look at you. It doesn't do me any good though because I'm married. Happily married. Yeah but you are making some deal with this thing right? No, it makes great, yeah. Would you pay for this Miss USA? Well, I paid. They wanted 28 million. Right. And that includes Miss Universe. And I paid 10 million. Okay. And it made $10 million last year. So you, you bought Miss Universe and Miss USA... Yeah. ...from the same guy... Well from Madison Square Garden corporation. Okay. You bought it from them you paid 10 million, Ten million, and it was owned by Paramount which was a division. And you've already turned it into a big profits. Yeah, it's been great because you know, countries, foreign countries pay a fortune. Right. In fact it's going to Thailand for it, which is interesting... I signed a deal with Thailand where they paid a lot of money to have the Miss Universe contest in Thailand. Right. I signed a deal one week before the tsunami hit. Oh. So then, I said to myself, 'That's terrible I have to give them back their money.' They paid a lot like six or seven million dollars to have it over there. I said, 'Oh that's terrible I have to get back their money.' They don't want their money back. They wanted more importantly now and that's on in a few weeks. More importantly they want the Miss Universe country because they want to show that they're back. And I thought that was terrific. Yeah. And I think they are right. Why don't you call it Miss Tsunami [Inaudible] and then that'll make a big contest out of that? I like that. Well you know it was sort of like I said one of two things is going to happen. Right. [Inaudible] Yeah. But they really wanted it. They want to show that they're back in business and that's good. Wow, well look at you man. And you know what. It's almost fair to say that you are now a television mogul. It is. It is strange. You had no holdings in television. I got The Apprentice. You've got the Martha Stewart thing going. Well 14 months ago, I knew absolutely nothing about ratings although I understood ratings from Miss USA. I've heard that for six years or seven years. You had that Dan Rather was number three, that you know. Well everybody know that. Right. That was that was obvious. I think everybody knew that, but Dan. Right. So is it fair to say now you are really going into the world of television in a big way? No, no real estates is what I do and that's what I like I'm... You're not going to buy any more properties in television? No I'm building nine buildings right now, I'm the biggest developer in New York. That's what I like doing the best, real estate. Nine buildings. And I'm building a big one in Chicago. And I also understand in Chicago you decided not to go up... Yeah. ...and challenge the record for the tallest building. I have a building that's 92 stories tall that's going up right now in Chicago. We sell 700 million dollars worth of apartments before we even started. Look at you. And what happened is it's an unbelievable... I could have for a very small amount of money made it the tallest building in the world. But you didn't want it. I said 'No thanks.' You have to let somebody else do that. You know what, after September 11th, things changed. Nobody wants to be. If you would have told me that I for a very small amount of minutes like raising the antenna, right? Uh, ah. You know not that much money, right? I could have had the world's tallest building. Nobody wants it. I don't want it. No? Not now. Then how do you need that for? I want to, I want to keep the profile the way it is it's perfect. Tell me if, Tell me if this is true -- Shaquille O'Neal bought you and Melania a $325,000 Phantom Rolls Royce a wedding present. Well he gave as a wedding present and he was at my wedding and he's a great guy Shaquille. You know I happen to love... Jerry Buzz... I think Jerry Buss is a great guy. But losing Shaq was not a good move. Right. I mean Shaq is Shaq. Well, it's obvious now. Did he buy you this car? [Inaudible] I'll say on live radio off the record. Yes. [Inaudible] What do you make of that? I mean did you... Well, he likes me. You know... Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me... If somebody give it to you, to Shaq to give to you, he didn't pay it for it... I don't know. Let me just... What do you mean you don't know? Shaq is making 35 million dollars a year. Right. If he buys a Rolls Royce that's like somebody going out and buying a piece of candy. You understand that right okay? Right, right. Shaq's a friend of mine. He came to my wedding. He had. We had everybody at the wedding, everybody but you. The only one missing, the only major celebrity missing was you. Yeah. Everybody was there. Les Moonves. Jeff Zucker, the biggest people Katie Couric was there. Go ahead. Everybody was there, everybody was fascinated by Shaq. Shaq is Shaq. Yeah. Shaq is Shaq. What is the worst gift you received? He's a phenomenon. The worst gift. The worst gift is nothing. Somebody showed up. Who did, who gave you nothing? [Inaudible] I don't know. You know it's interesting with weddings. A lot of times I'll tell Melania don't buy him a gift. Right. And she'll say, 'that's terrible why? Why?' Because then I you know like I don't even know who gave me what, you understand that. Right. It's like you, you're so busy, look at you, look at your desk and all these tapes you probably mostly of nude women... [Inaudible] What do you saying? You know who gave you, would you? No no no. A lot of times Howard if it's your birthday and, and you get 500 presents you're not going to remember two weeks later who gave you what, right? Was Pat O'Brien at your wedding? He was. Ahhhh. Did you know he was such a freak? Well Pat had a problem but he didn't have a problem on my wedding. I didn't know that he had such a problem. Have you heard the tapes? Yes. Did you know he was in the bathroom of your wedding calling Melania? [Inaudible] You've heard the tapes of Pat O'Brien. I've heard the tapes on your show. Yes. Now, isn't that a dumb move putting back? Would you ever in your single years... You're a coxwain. [Inaudible] You were around... [Inaudible] In my single years, I think it would have been all right and the matter with you is it does... No, no. But even still. But you're not going to leave a message like that. You don't leave a message like that on this show. You know what fascinates me. That was really stupid. Dumb. But he also had a problem that was stupid that was pure stupid. Right. [Inaudible] But what really fascinates me [Inaudible]is email. I have friends... First of all, half of my friends are under indictment right now because they send e-mails to each other about how they are screwing people. [Inaudible] Right. But it's unbelievable... Why do people... E-mail is unbelievable, it, they'll talk on the phone they can't even say hello. They don't want to say hello or goodbye. Right. And yet they'll write you a message [Inaudible] that they are having you know, sex with 15 different married women. [Inaudible] It's unbelievable. Would you do, would you... [Inaudible] E-mail, E-mail is unbelievable... Would you do another Apprentice with Pat O'Brien? Because I would watch that [Inaudible] Yeah, somebody has to rehabilitate. I think it's a great idea. Actually I have to tell you just one thing about 'The Apprentice.' This group is fine but I chose for the first time because I've been so busy it's hard. You know we have over a million people apply to go on 'The Apprentice' Right. And Mark Burnett and the staff, they choose the people and on it's been great. But I wanted to choose my staff, my group for the next one which is the fourth one which will come out in the fall. Uh, uh. Okay? I'll start shooting in a couple of weeks. And I went and they chose from over a million people they took it down to 2000 and I went to Los Angeles. Right? And I picked the 18 people. Howard, you'll be watching every night... [inaudible] Some of the most beautiful people... Nice. You know, they were all saying, 'Oh Donald don't use that woman. She's too beautiful.' Do you have at least one crazy black person? [Inaudible] I hope not. You have to. Coz we've had some problem I mean between Omarosa... I mean, from Omarosa... No, every reality show has that crazy bad person. But you know he's saying they've had some trouble. It's Omarosa the crazy black woman who causing up the trouble. [Inaudible] Actually I think we have, I think we have some great black women Don't you have to have... When you and Burnett sit down, you have to have a Black. You have to have Black people. I think that's correct. Yes. Yes. What about Asians and Hispanic? Why are they always forgotten? Okay look, let me just tell you this. Okay. Number 4 is gonna be so unbelievable. The cast is unbelievable. We have a stripper who wants to make good. Right. Okay? Which, of course is immediately you're going to watch... Right. ... Your entire audience just decided Yeah you got to see how the stripper does. She's so beautiful you won't believe it. We have a beauty queen that they didn't want but a beauty queen who is so beautiful, Howard, that you wouldn't believe it. Wow. And a lot of people didn't want her 'cause she's not believable she's that beautiful. And we have just great people. So I think I think I'm really looking forward to that... Aren't you... More than any other... Aren't you... I'm looking forward to the fourth season. Aren't you, Aren't you secretly happy, This is what I've heard that Mark Burnett Show the contender, failed. No I'm not happy about that. I heard you were happy. No you didn't hear I'm happy. I heard that you were behind that because you want to be the most valuable person in sale. That's that's always true. You know that's always true. Are you glad to secretly see Mark Burnett had a failure $2 million an episode? No. Of the contender. No. I would like -- I love Mark and I want him to have only success. Is he crying over it. Well I think he's hey look he's happy with the Apprentice and he's happy with Survivor. Those two shows -- [Inaudible] What he said to you about the failure of Contender? What did he say to you? I don't talk to him about it. No Did he say to you, "I think I lost it.""?" No. I don't talk to him about it. Now, he's very proud of it artistically. I think it's a great show. It is. You know I mean I watched it last night. I thought it was terrific. I mean he's very proud of it artistically. Has he lost it. Lost what? It No. No he has not. You know what's funny to me a couple of weeks ago I was at the car show and Richard Branson who tried to... Who failed. Yeah. Run the show against The Donald. He failed didn't he? Against you. He's got beaten so bad, he's like, you know, he walks down the street, he puts his head down he's ashamed to -- Right. You will love this Donald, you know what he was doing in the car show? He was dressed as an astronaut talking to people [Inaudible] and the press and I said, "Who is that guy walking around in an astronaut suit" Look how happy Donald is I love this. And it was Richard Branson. Donald's right he has no idea what he was doing. He has no television persona and he doesn't know it the one that failed was Mark Cuban once when he came out with the show and you know it's amazing Mark Cuban what an apartment at one of my buildings, right? Yes. So he's obviously had to be a Trump fan somewhere along the line. Then all of a sudden -- and he was very nice and all of a sudden like two weeks before the show, "I don't like Donald Trump. I don't like his business practices. I don't like his way [Inaudible]"" You know all of this stuff. And then he failed the same thing with Branson. ""Donald Trump is great."" Unbelievable. A week before the show he starts trashing me. So it's like they failed badly. I'm happy about it. By the way one thing I want to ask your opinion." Yes. On the Apprentice there was a concept, okay? tThrown out by some person nine blacks H Go ahead Against nine whites. This I like. And it would be nine blacks against nine whites all highly educated, very smart, strong, beautiful people, right? Yes. Do you like it? Yes. Do you like it, Robin? Well I think you're going to have a riot. Yes. I like it. I like it. It would be the highest rated show on television. Oh, yeah. Let me ask you a couple of questions, if I may. I'm pretty good with this stuff. Very dark blacks or light skinned blacks? Assortment. Assortment of blacks Against whites. And whites. How many blondes? [Inaudible] Probably not. I'd say not. Who's thinking of doing this? This was a thought that was given to us And we're thrown out in a meeting. Have that person arrested. And somehow would -- I don't think Wouldn't that set off a racial -- I don't think NBC is thrilled with the idea that I -- Wouldn't it set off a racial war in this country? I don't think. See, actually, I don't think it would. I think that it would be handled very beautifully by me. Right. Because as you know I'm very diplomatic. Yes you are. You're very sensitive. I'm a sensitive person right. And I also think that you probably have 35 million people a night watching. I got to tell you something. At some level it's wrong, but I like it. I would watch. I would watch that. I give it to the black team I have to watch. You have to. Because you don't know when the riot's turns. I would give it to the blacks. The black's are gonna win because that extra bone they have nine extra bones. This is not a race, Artie. You know the truth there's something wrong with it. But I don't know maybe you think about it. I wish I could think about it. Was the guy fired immediately. [Inaudible] No. I think he was promoted actually. I got me an idea. All right. So look you have done it again. You are happily married. So let's let's let's take an assessment right now of your life. Of your success. Happily married, so you say. I don't think there's always that lingering doubt in your mind. No, no. I'm very happily married. All right. How about Jews versus blacks? Anyway, so, How about blacks versus human beings. There you go. You are clan member I go me an idea, Mr. Trump. All right, wait a second. Well every idea has to be considered. Let's take an assessment of your life though. You're right on top of the television world, tonight big night for you. You will be there? I'm going -- actually it's going to be from Baltimore which is a wonderful city a really progressive city and that's where Miss USA That's where I'm from. And Miss USA will be live from Baltimore. And you're flying out to Baltimore. That's my hometown. I'm flying to Baltimore. All right. On your private jet? On my private jet. I see. Baltimore will be glad to have you. You wanna go? What is -- I can't go. You wanna come with me tonight, Howard? How can I go with you? Robin, do you want to come? It's good for your show. Good promotion for your show. We'll announce it on the air. We have to go to work in the morning. I can't go. Artie? Come one. I would go if I didn't have to work tomorrow. Artie did a great job at my Rose Tower, he was the single best person, a lot of people were totally bummed. What did he say? He was the best. I'm telling you we had all this comedian. What did he say about you that we don't know. I don't want to go into those. He was the funniest in all of the fif -- Le me hear one of the jokes. Well one of the things, you know, there's talk about some Donald financial problems In Atlantic City and I said that Donald took his daughter for a drive to Atlantic City and said, "Someday honey your name will be at the top of all these buildings. That's if you marry a guy named Borgata."" [Inaudible]" I had to bring those up. That was a good one I had to bring this up. I'll tell you, honestly, the Atlantic City stuff is doing great. I mean, my apologies. Okay, All right. He had to bring this crap up. No. You brought it up but I -- I know I had to bring you up. It was nice of you to -- What did I bring you up for? It was nice of you -- I thought it was, you know, I was trying to be nice to him. The truth is, he was terrible. [Inaudible] He was terrible. He did a lousy job. And I try to be nice to him and this is what happens you get hit. This is like Dan Rather roll over again actually. Loser. So now I don't talk to Artie anymore. Come on, Howard made me tell a joke. Go ahead. Now, let's take an assessment of your life. Go ahead. I don't know about this thing [Inaudible] So the roast was a glitch. [Inaudible] Your show, Miss USA pageant tonight at 9 o'clock in NBC -- NBC probably going to be number one, am I right? I think it is a good shot. It's doing very well. I tell you what. The girls are unbelievable. All right That's good enough for me. Apprentice Thursday nights. Right. Nine o'clock on NBC. Right. You are now worth what? Today. Sitting here right now. Billions. How many billion? Well they say six. Are you worth six billion today? Yeah. That's what they say? I don't know if it's true or not. That's a nice number. It's a lot of money. Well, you can eat well. Yes. It doesn't mean anything, you know, once you get to like -- Is it really six billion or is it just some sort of weird -- Like, well if you needed to get to your cash right now, how liquid are you? I'm liquid. You know it's a good time in real estate, Howard. You know I just sold an apartment for $30 million dollars. The whole building for years ago for less than that, okay? So it's crazy. And this is a good time to be in real estate now in two years. I may come in and say, Howard I was only kidding you right. Like I say what do you think of the future. I think it's good yeah. I think as long as interest rates stay low and as long as the dollar remains weak which is very weak you know the Europeans have come in and tried to buy everything. Right. And if you're in my business which is you know building 6,000 units on the West Side of Manhattan I just built a beautiful building on Park Avenue, where you should actually move. I built a beautiful building on park Avenue. You should move there, Howard. I got to move. I just finished a big one opposite the United Nations Trump world which is actually the tallest residential building or residential building in the world. So you have $6 billion more or less. Yeah. More or less. How many planes do you have? Two. Two? What do you got? What kind of plane? A Boeing. A Boeing Yeah. Boeing 727 You own that. Wow! Yeah, and I have another one. What's the other one. A helicopter and another plane a small plane that I don't use. What's the small plane? What kind of plane is it? It's a citation something. You don't use that. You usually go with the Boeing? I like the Boeing. When you go to Baltimore, you're using the Boeing? I'm going to use the Boeing, yeah? Look at you. So, Donald can I come to Baltimore? No. No, Dan. You've blown it Artie. Out and over. You know what I hate? I hate being nice to somebody. And then they come back at you. Like, "What?"" 'Cause I'm a loyal person so I'm nice to the guy. I'm trying -- He made a fool of himself with my Rose He asked me to tell a joke I told at the Rose Artie, go to hell. You're really mad at him. It's not that I'm mad. I'm a loyal person. Right. I was nice to this guy. [Inaudible] Right. And he comes and hits me. It's a joke. I don't care. I don't jokes. It was a Rose joke. What's that all about? I told it at the Rose. Let him say it at the Rose. But that's okay, Artie. Don't worry about it. How about this one -- You know what, you could have done anything with it in Atlantic City joke. I'm very proud of it. Artie, do another joke where Donald [Inaudible I don't want to hear another word. Did you see the New York Post yesterday? I mean, I've done very well in Atlanta. You always have, yes. You've done very -- It's a joke I don't think anybody has made the money that I've made in Atlantic City. Who's lasted longer than you? I'm not saying nobody's lasted longer. That's right. You should be proud. Nobody. I can't believe what you're telling me. What? I love you, Donald. I'm a loyalist, Howard. When I'm loyal to people I expect loyalty. Artie, tell Mr. Trump he's doing well. You're doing fantastic. I've much money lost in your casino. He's helping you. Yeah, he's a good man. All right. Listen to me. Forget Artie. [Inaudible] Artie's off the list. You didn't see me saying that. All right. You forced me to tell joke. [Inaudible] I think you would tell a nice joke. [Inaudible] Look at this Now. Screw over a millionaire Listen to me, you are on top of the world -- You mean Artie won't be working at Trump? No, we just terminated this guy. Six billion dollars, you get the planes. You've got Melania. When you said you were worth six billion dollars and you just sold an apartment for $39 million, Melania had four orgasms just now. [Inaudible] So, everything is good. And tonight's the big night for you. Everyone watch Miss USA pageant tonight 9 o'clock on NBC. That's the biggie. Yes. And I wish you luck. If you're listening go watch. You've always been good to me. I would love your listeners to watch because they'll see something. Howard, you know they've always said, like beauty pageants. I love it. It is unbelievable the level of beauty is unbelievable and your listeners are into beauty. You've got a bunch of homos judging this thing, or are you got to keep coming straight guy? No. Just -- Actually we have great judges we have the heavyweight champion of the world, a lot of you know big celebrity judge. Who was the heavyweight champion. Who the hell knows? [Inaudible] I used to know who it was. I don't even know anymore. I know it's a heavyweight champion. Right. Since Lennox, who knows who is it? Yeah. What happened to Lennox? By the way, you can see Artie tonight running around in an astronauts costume. [Inaudible] With Branson. No. I'm not with Branson. I'm Sean Paul. All right. All right. Listen, I love when you come in here. You're honest. You say a lot that's on your mind and I admire that. And I am wishing you luck tonight. Thank you. The Miss USA pageant tonight 9 o'clock at NBC. Howard Stern will be watching. You better be watching, Howard. I'll be watching. Thank you Howard. And see Donald Trump on The Apprentice, Thursday nights at 9 o'clock on NBC. We're going to take a break. We'll let you out of here. I'm not going to shake your hand because I have a cold. Okay. All right. Do you still hear what I'm saying? I appreciate it. I appreciate it very much. He appreciates. I appreciate it very much I'm going to keep my distance, because the greatest thing you ever did that I still say on all your accomplishments when you were on Larry King and you told that he had bad breath the single greatest moment that I can think of. You know how it happened, though. You know how it happened. I think you know some people loved it some people thought it was horrible that worst they've ever seen. I loved it. But Larry said you intimidate people you're always intimidating people. Everybody tells me this. How do you do it? And I said Larry you have terrible terrible breath. I didn't realize that that was in response to his question. So the clips are always me saying they always show that clip Larry. It was really in response to his question about intimidation. But it was true? But it was actually true. Oh, No. All right let's watch the Miss USA pageant tonight 9o'clock on NBC. Thank you Donald Trump. Where are you going to now you're done with the promotion? I'm going to build buildings. I'm going back to my office. And then to Baltimore. And then to Baltimore. All right. Donald Trump everyone. Please give every inch of my love to this Melania. I will. Do you understand what I am saying? She sends her regards. But you know what I'm talking about? I know exactly what you're -- Give one for me all three way. That's right. That's a loving statement. Don't take that the wrong way. And we'll be back right after these words.