TV star, The number one guy, number one guy. There you go. He's saying something but we can't hear him. Who can hear him? [Laughs] Get in front of the microphone so we hear what you're saying, sounds important though. Everything he says must be important. How are you? I'm -- I'm very well, how are you? I'm very good thank you. Mr. Trump, I was very proud of you. I saw you on a lot of shows talking about the fact that the war in Iraq is going horribly wrong. A lot of people especially in your position; a wealthy guy who could do very well with the Bush administration. You're speaking out because you care that people are dying over there, young people and perhaps for nothing. Well, it's a horror. I mean the war is a total disaster. It seems to me to be almost worse than Vietnam. And I happen to like the Bush policies on taxation, I really believe in him and I -- I -- That's just because you pay less, the fact is you have more incentive to do things, and I think it's good it puts people to work. But the war is a total catastrophe, and if anything brings him down, that's going to bring him down. That, and perhaps you, and the FCC. Yeah. And -- Have Donald put on his headphones, coz he'll never hear what I'm saying. And stem cell research. Yeah. Robin wants you to put on your headphones on. Because you'll never hear Robin, and if you miss Robin. You've missed it all. Well, no, I was just going to say that I was thinking the other day, this is a war that George Bush wouldn't have fought in himself. That's the other thing. Well, one of the greatest spin jobs I've ever seen, and I've watched a lot of spin over the years, is what they did with Kerry. They made Kerry, who whether he was a great hero, or a modest hero, or at least just went and got shot at. He was a brave guy. They made him into a guy who was a total war failure and Bush is this great war hero, and you know it's sort of amazing. I thought it was one of, you know, the swift boat. Yeah. I thought it was one of the greatest jobs I've ever seen. So they made Kerry, who really went into this whole thing as a war hero, and he's coming out like somebody that's really damaged goods. And, Bush who obviously wasn't a war hero, is looking awfully good. So-- He's looking like a war hero. It's -- It's sort of interesting. Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, all of them. Seven deferments, five deferments for Cheney, seven for Ashcroft, Bush clearly got a privilege from his father, Fine. If I had a father who could give me some privilege I'd admit it and say, 'Hey, I was lucky, I got out of this horrible war, the Vietnam War.' He hasn't learned from history though. He supports the Vietnam War and he says in theory it was a good war. Well, it's -- that's not so good. I mean, most people you have to be pretty hard line to now still support the Vietnam War. Would you fire Bush? Well, I love his tax policy and I hate his war, so I guess, you know, we'll have to see what happens. Stem cell research, what do you think? She wouldn't be the first to be. I'm totally, totally in favor of it. I'm in totally in favor. What, environmentally-- And I have so many people, they are sick. They're -- I know people that are dying. With proper stem cell research, they could live. I mean it's -- it just doesn't make sense what they're doing. It -- it -- it's saying, to hell with science, Jesus first, science later, and tha -- that's scary. It's a problem, it's a problem. It is, well look I just -- So where do you vote if tha -- this is how you're feeling., where would you vote [Inaudible] I don't, I don't want to talk about where I'm going to vote. What do you think he's going to do, he's going to vote for Kerry. Why don't you want to talk about it? You know, I don't because honestly -- You've never been afraid. Honestly I, no, I'm not at all. Although it's it's a pretty tough world out there right now, I must tell you. In terms of policy. But everyone said under Clinton, a guy like you, a wealthy man would do badly. Did you do poorly under Clinton? It's a funny thing. The Republicans are known for business and yet the economy always seems to be tanked with the Republicans. And Clinton, who's a member of one of my golf clubs and who happens to be a really good guy, but you don't think of him as a business guy, the economy was never stronger. He was a strong president. Now, the thing I like about this economy, is low interest rates. But if interest rates go up, the entire real estate market collapses, the world collapses, and, you know-- Isn't it true, that after the election, interest rates will go up? I think probably that's so. Right now they're very low. You know the real estate in New York as you know from being in New York-- Is huge right now. It's through the roof, it's never been -- I've been here doing this, I'd refuse to tell you how much, because my girlfriend would leave me if I said how many years I've been doing this. All right, yeah. But I've been doing this for a long time, real estate. And it's the single best market I've ever seen. And that, to a large extent is that the city is perceived as doing well. I think Bloomberg is doing a very good job. He's a great mayor. I think he's doing a great job. But, beyond that, and I was with him last night, Interest rates. What were you guys doing last night? We went to Barbara Walters, sort of, semi retirement party. I was going to say, she's having more farewell party Well, she's had like, she's great though, you know -- Hot chic Sarah, and that's kind enough to pleasure hot chicks No. And It didn't matter because I was, I was with Melania. Well, yeah, I know. She's my hot chick. Right. Of course. But you know, I just want to know if there were hot chicks there. Who is -- who's the mayor's chick Is she chick hot or is she not that hot? She's great, Diana. She's great. I don't even know her. Very smart, very attractive, and she's terrific. And she's much taller than him She's taller, she's tall. She's probably six feet tall but she's -- Do they have a wild sex life? I think that, I think they do. More in the missionary position? I think they really have a great sex life. But you know what, she's beautiful and and he's doing a terrific job. So he has to feel good about himself This fiance of yours, Melania. She must be terrific in bed, because for her to hold onto you, all these years. She's got to be doing something special. What's her secret? Well she is terrific in bed. Now, she wouldn't want me to say that, but she is. Is it the amount of position she knows, or is it the oral, what is it? Specifically She's just overall terrific. I think most importantly-- Let me ask you this, with all due respect But is he going to get married? I mean is she going to be the perennial fiance? He is gonna get married. He's gonna get married When are you getting married? Well some time early next year You set a date? No, we haven't set a date. Are you playing her or are you really going to marry her? [Inaudible] No, I don't have the courage to play her. But your prenup, is it going to be like Britney Spears? She gets $300, 000 a year for every year that she's with you or the is it going to be less? We, we're gonna have a prenup. We have to have a prenup. Have you started working on it yet? I've written too many books, Robin, about prenups not to have one. I say you have to [Inaudible] No. I have mended to destroy it. I have friends, that are very smart, killer people, that people are afraid to even deal with them, and yet, a wife five foot two, 100 pounds, destroys them. Me too. I know guys who I have known for years and they get married and don't sign a prenup. They are afraid to ask their women for a prenup. I was just reading in the paper that, one of the Gotti's is having problems with his wife. I said the only people who are not afraid of mobsters seem to be the wives. [Inaudible] By the way, I've seen that many times. Explain to me, you're a good judge of human character. Why is a man afraid to ask for a prenup? I mean, you would say that Melania, how do you do it? Well, it's a very tough thing. Actually, you know, doing business deals is a sort of natural and easiest as far as I'm concerned, doing prenups is a whole different deal. Because it's emotional. You're in love with someone, you go up to her, you tell her how in love you are, you know, in the case Melania. I love you very much, you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. Gorgeous. And we're going to be together forever. But, just in case it doesn't work out, would you please immediately sign this. So it's -- it's not, it's you know it's an unattractive instrument [Inaudible] But wait a second, if Melania says to you, all right what do you propose? And you probably say, Okay talk to my accountant, he's got a proposal for you. But you're not going to get into the nitty gritty with her, are you? I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty. And do you tell her to get a lawyer? You have to have a lawyer. If she doesn't have a lawyer, which of course is a disaster, because all of a sudden she'll show up with this killer, but if she doesn't have a lawyer, you know, it doesn't hold up. So you sit down and you say, ' Okay Melania, I will give you $300, 000 a year, for every year you're with me. If we should have kids, you get a bonus. What do you pay for a kid? What do you pay for a kid, give me a ballpark. I'll give them whatever they want. [Inaudible] Right. So -- so so, and then she comes back and says, not enough, but, is that it. Is that a signal to head for the hills? Well, it's two ways, you know, there are women that won't sign prenup and they have good intentions, and there are women that won't sign prenups and they have bad intentions. Now, I know a woman who is totally in love with a guy, she refuses to sign she said, Our marriage is more than that. I honestly don't believe she's trying to rip him off. She just feels that it's a horrible thing. I don't think my -- [Inaudible Should the guy marry her? My father, many many years ago, he was 93 when he passed away. Many years ago, he had a 63 year marriage to a wonderful woman named my mother. Okay? Right. And I heard that he asked her for a prenup. Can you believe this? This is like, you know -- He did, he was way ahead of his time It's like 70 years ago. He asked her for a prenup? The guy was, well he was great. He was ahead of his time. And he asked her for a prenup, and she threw him out of the house. She said, actually didn't even throw him out of the house, because they didn't live together in those days, you know. In those days you get married and then you move in together. But she, he, actually asked her for a prenup and she would say, she had good intentions So, you haven't begun the negotiation with Melania yet? I haven't actually begun that negotiation. Right. But she's picked out her lawyer and then that will begin. No, she hasn't even picked out a lawyer, but but let me tell you But I admire this, because quite frankly the marriage laws are somewhat archaic. A guy like you, you've built up well, you've worked hard, I see you hustle every day. No reason just 'cause you fell in love and then out of love you should have to give up all your money. You don't want her to be destitute if you should leave. Sure you do. Why not? Let her miss it. I have a friend, who's a total brutal killer. He just kills everyone. He's a very rich guy and he's had a couple of horrible marriages. Right. So now he meets a new woman, and tells me, 'Donald, this is the one.' Now his last one ripped him off about 50. [Inaudible] Right. The last, the one. You know, she was married to him for two years, she made him dinner every once in a while. Most of the time she wasn't making dinner because she was out screwing around. And then she gets $50, 000, 000. Are you kidding, 50 mil -- Who is that guy? I want to meet him. [Inaudible] So now, he calls me. He said, ' Donald, I've met the one, ' because he's told me this now four times-- How stupid. Yes. So I said, ' Listen, I know she's the one, I know she's great. By the way, where does she come from?' She's a Las Vegas showgirl. Oh, boy. All right, All right. [Inaudible]. So I said, 'You're going to get a prenup right?' He said, ' Don, honestly, I don't need it.' This is one. Now here's a guy who's a genius business man but he's a schmuck. Barracuda. He's a schmuck. What happened to guys at home? So, what do you say to him? So what happend, Robin, he married her two years ago, and about a week and a half ago he told me-- I said, 'how she doing?.' That son of a bitch, okay. [Inaudible] so late in the month. Its over already. So I said, 'By the way, tell me yes, tell me you had a pre-nup.' He said, 'I don't. I have to go through it again.' So-- Oh, my God. So I don't know. Something happens to men. I've seen it. Hey look, I happen to love Jack Welch, great business man. He had a very unusual pre-nup. He's married for 10 years to a woman, the prenup expires in 10 years and he leaves her in the eleventh year. And she sues him for $500 million. Why didn't he leave her the year-- I don't know. You would have thought he would have left after nine and a half. People speculate. You got to know something's wrong at that point. People speculate that your marriage to Marla Maples, you pulled the plug on it, because you're divorce, your -- your -- your -- prenup kicked into a higher amount, and so you had -- you had to divorce before a certain amount of time. Well, actually with Marla, it said, it has been written, of course, I would never say this, but I had, Marla didn't want to have a long pre -- she -- And I think for good reason. She thought it was a terrible instrument also, not necessary. But at the, prior to the end of the term, Yes. There were those that say that, what I did is said sayonara. So unless you pick somebody that's of the quality of your mother, where you have total confidence, I mean you really -- Like the Jack Welch thing, I would be-- So you pulled the plug in time so you didn't kick into a higher amount of money. Well, I don't want to say that with respect to Marla and Marla was terrific. You know, she was really terrific. Wasn't right for me, [Inaudible] Why do you [Inaudible] Excuse me. Robin, Howard destroyed me at my wedding. I know that. We all know that story. Worst story. I knew. But let me ask you, why did you-- There wasn't a dry eye in the house. Why did you put these incentives into the prenup. I mean that too, sort of smacks of, trying to build in longevity. Robin, it is a negotiation. I mean these people aren't morons, okay. You know? Their lawyers aren't anyway. And their lawyers are definitely not. Not morons. [Inaudible] out of luck. But you know, the prenup, is a very vital instrument. I don't like the kind to terminate, because, you know when you have like a prenup that terminates in three or four years, and I know people to sign three or four years. It means you're getting divorced in three or four years. Right. Unless the guy is an idiot. Or if you build in a higher amount, you're getting divorced in nine instead of -- You know. Well, you know, I had one where a friend of mine had a three year cheap prenup and after three years it kicked into millions. Like a balloon situation. But who the hell is going to stay with someone? Well, he did sayonara at two and a half. Two point nine. And by the way, I think this marriage of yours will be completely different. I believe it will last six years. Oh, six years is a little. I appreciate that. That's romantic, that's romantic Well, you have a lot of dating left in you. No, no, but he was wrong on Marla though, he predicted three months. And the sad part was, he predicted it on television, my wedding night. Being a maniac, that I am, I go back to the suite and instead of making love, I decide let's turn on the television because we had more paparazzi that night than you've ever seen. You had a lot of photographer Even by U. S. Standards, that's was a record. A record. There were thousands. I mean you never saw-- So, I say I want to see what it looks like on television and this is not off to a good start. I say, 'Lay in bed. So, I turn on the television and who do they see -- Me I say, 'Uh, it's Howard.' Right. And first of all, What did he say? All of America said, 'Oh, it's Howard.' Oh, he's the worst. Well, I didn't like it. She cried the entire week over what you said. It was true. He said -- He said, 'There wasn't a wet eye in the house. That was written. In other words, nobody was crying [Inaudible] Right, no sentiment at all There was no sentiment at all. And he said, I give the marriage three months. So these were the two statements that I went to bed with with my wife. On your first night. Hey, listen. This was not good. But, in the meantime he had a good time. You sat right next to O.J. Simpson. O.J. And I had a great night. You found out that O.J., you know, just prior to killing-- O. J's a great guy aside from the fact that he's a killer He is good at a party. The wedding put him overboard [Inaudible] O.J. Anymore, do you You know, I'll tell you, He's a member of Mar-a-Lago I know a lot about O.J. He was a member of Mar-a-Lago, he's not a member anymore. O.J. Was perhaps the most guilty human being I've ever seen, okay. No doubt. I mean, of the glove doesn't fit-- Here's a guy, puts a glove on, I can do that. So, he takes a glove that obviously fits and he's pulling it, and this stupid Marcia Clark, I mean she has to be the worst-- Worst of them. That's true, they didn't do their job. Now, I'm not sure that anybody could have convince that particular jury. Right, I agree. But he takes this glove, puts it on and he starts going like this, 'This, it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.' And I mean, that was just a whole disgraceful thing. Yes. But O.J. Simpson sat right next to Howard Stern, in one of the great pictures that I have, and you know because you used at the back your my book. That's right. You had to get a sign off for Donald Trump. I did. [Inaudible] because the book was a big success. That's right. Said I want 10 %. You gave me that for free. Getting away murder? I -- I actually, I'll tell you a story about O.J. That was interesting. Prior to the killing, prior to the time he killed his wife. Did he talk to you about it? I can't belive, every once in a while Prior to the Double homicide. Every once in a while -- It's hard to believe that that guy, killed someone. [Inaudible] we even talk about. The juice, prior to the killing I was with somebody and O.J. Came up, I was at a table in California, at a certain restaurant, The Ivy, which I'm sure you know very well. Yes. And I'm sitting having dinner and O.J. Came up to me and he was talking -- And I was with very important people, big bankers. Nobody that you know, big big bankers. And I was sitting there, there were six of us. And O.J. Came up and he's talking to us for about three minutes and Nicole was with her mother, I think, and she came over and she started screaming at him, 'Get over to the table what the hell you-, ' she was rough. Okay, in all fairness. So he decided obviously to kill her. That might have been, might have been right at the Ivy that he just said that She was very tough. She came over and she really embarrassed him. She was screaming at him, get over here, She didn't care. And that was before The Apprentice so she didn't give a damn about me. Now she'd be kissing my ass. You never-- Now I'm the biggest star on television she'll kiss my ass, but you know what, You would never kill one of your ex-wives, would you? In what order? I could think about. It would almost be that absurd to think that O.J. Killed his ex-wife. And like It would be that absurd to think you killed your ex-wife. I've read that in the paper and either way it was out of character it seemed for a nice O.J. It seemed out of character, other than all of the beatings that were called into the police station and later retracted. There were a number of them Howard, like about six times. So get back to your relationship with Melania You know, she did call six times and screamed, 'help, help, help, he's beating me up, he's beating me up.' And then the next day they dropped the charges. That's not totally normal that's not Fred and Mary Trump, do you agree? Go back to -- Yes, I do agree. Let's go back to you and Melania for one second, before we move on to The Apprentice. So you're going to get married and this woman has captivated you. I mean, it's not easy, because she is capturing your heart and you've got to you've got a lot of options. I have a lot of options. Yes, she must be something really special because you had, the pick of every body. A friend of mine said to me, I know a guy who gets a lot of poontang, not as much as Mr. Trump, but a lot of poontang. And he says to me, 'I'm getting married,' I go, 'What, what what are you, are you crazy? He says, 'Every morning I wake up, she's giving me oral. Now, I said, 'Then I understand. She might be the biggest pain in the ass, but I understand. You know, the National Enquirer Howard, did a story on me not so long ago. That, in the history of the world, nobody has gotten more beautiful women, that I have, which is a great compliment. In fact, many years ago I was on your show and you were putting all of them up in posters, you remember? Yeah, I had a chart. How was this one, how was that one? [Inaudible] And by the way, I'm sure I missed thousands. You missed a lot of them. I did. Actually, some of the ones on the charts, were not victims, understood. But but you missed quite a few. But that's okay. So that was a great compliment. So, Melania, must have something. And you know what it is? I've been, I believe in the woman behind the man, and the man behind the woman. But I believe in the woman behind the man. I mean, I think women don't get enough credit. I've never done it with the woman behind me, but go ahead. Take a look at Andre Agassi, he's with Brooke Shields. Disaster. Life is a mess, right? He was the number one player in the world. He meets Brooke Shields, falls in love, marries her. He goes to 292 player. You know about that. She ruined him. Well, something happened. I mean they say, maybe an affair, or this, who knows? Who knows? I mean who knows? The guy that died on the program, who the hell knows what happened. But he goes from number one to number 292. He's a disaster. I watched him play at the U. S. Open three years ago, three years ago, he got wiped out in the first round. He didn't even get play. It was like terrible. I said this doesn't say he's gotten old. Right. All of a sudden, he meets Steffi Graf. Now he's great. He's the number one player in the world. I mean he's, he goes -- Well, would you want to stay home with Steffi Graf? Well, you know, Steffi Graf She's probably motivated? No, no Steffi Graf is a great girl and she is one of the greatest She's not hot, though. She's got one of the greatest bodies out there. She's beautiful? [Inaudible] But what about the face? Honestly, Robin. All right. Body is a 10, what's the face? Well, you never get to the face, because the body is so good. You wouldn't go out with Steffi Graf, she's not hot enough for you. Well, you know, it doesn't matter. The point is that he -- But you are avoiding the question about Melania. Yes. Here's what happened. And did it [Inaudible] pit out like never before? Well, It's everything. It's not sexual, it's the friendship, Is it the oral? It's everything. Guys always love -- Do you, are you you an oral guy? I'm not a big fan of that. [Inaudible] This show is always a disaster You're in a corner now, Listen Robin, other than the fact, this guy is a friend of mine, this show is always a disaster. Be straight me. The last time Howard said, everything gets really like, I always get in trouble on this show. And I try and be as nice as I can, I try and avoid his crazy questions. [Inaudible] not often. But you always make -- Let me tell you last time, Howard said very clearly, ' Does Melania have cellulite? Now, Melania is one of the greatest bodies I've ever seen. I've seen it up close. It's one of the greats. Does she have se-. And I said, 'Melania, doesn't even know what the word cellulite means. ' Now I said that very clearly [and I thought that was wonderful. One of the newspapers in New York did a whole big story on the fact that Melania doesn't know what cellulite is. Like she's stupid or something. Like she's a dummy, and she is not a dummy. So I get killed. So, almost no matter what you say on this show, when they analyze everything I've said today, I'm sure there are four or five things [Inaudible] Is oral -- Let go at it in a different way. Is oral sex important to you? What was that? That was our high pitch [Inaudible] Seriously, man to man. I mean, I've had this discussion with many men. No, it's not important to me. It's not. By the way, you had Kylie Bax on this show. That's a piece of ass I could not [Inaudible] Yeah that's right. And she was a friend of mine. Did you do her? Be honest, It's I don't want to say Look, it was the single worst performance I've ever seen. I mean, I think you destroyed her on this show. When she said she liked the anal, and the this, and that, and that. Right. You're not into anal. Did you you that with her? No, no, I'm not into anal. No I didn't do that with her You got Kylie Bax, you son of a gun. No I didn't say that. I want that. But she was a friend of mine and she was a nice girl, and all of a sudden I see her on the show talking about anal and this and Marcus? She took a calculated risk, it was wrong. It was on the other night and so I keep playing, keep playing it Yeah and you don't hear any more, do you? It ruined her. I was like, I can't believe it She took one for the team. So -- So -- She did, she gave you some really bad answers. Yes. Yes. Talk to me about what's going on now with The Apprentice. You now have three guys. You were the original, but you have two other guys, who I'll say, who are attempting to steal your thunder. Mark Cuban. One of them came in here the other day, Mark Cuban, billionaire. He's got a show on now that's very similar to The Apprentice. Benefactor. With no ratings With no ratings. Doing very badly. And then you got this other guy coming out, the other billionaire. Who's that? Richard Branson. Richard Branson. He is actually a good guy. I think that show has a better shot. Here is what happens. The virgin guy. We have a show that, you see the ratings this week? Yes. Yes. What was it rated at? You were number one. We were the number one show. Right. And in fact, the New York Times did a front page story this Sunday that The Apprentice was not only number one, it was number one since May. In other words it's the number one show since May. The last Thursday. Gary [Inaudible] who's a big fan of your show says that the 90 minute format, too long, he loves it but he'd rather see an hour. What do you think of that? Well, what they did is they open to 90 minutes, only for one reason, because it gets good ratings Right. And it did phenomenally. And frankly, they would like to have it on for two hours. You know on Saturday night to put a two hour version on, and Saturday night is the biggest Saturday night that NBC has had in over a year. With that kind of clout, you pressured NBC into paying you more money, did you not? I did. So now you're getting what, a million an episode? Uh, much more than that. But, let me tell you. More than a million? Is that true? Yes. Listen, Howard, How is that Donald? Let me tell you. Let me tell you, let me tell you the economics and then you'll understand. You saying you're getting Schwimmer money? I'm getting good money, but you know what? NBC, Jeff Zucker, is so smart and so tough and so good that it's very hard to get money from. No, no, no. I'm saying a million dollars, to pay you a million dollars, is not a lot of money if -- Considering what they get in advertising. They are going to make a billion dollars off The Apprentice. And they -- But he didn't get a million, go on and tell us. Okay. Let me explain. Let me explain what happened. I signed the first one, everyone thought it would be off and you know, would do fine. It would maybe get a cou -- And you know, then Trump goes back to building buildings in Manhattan and having a lot of fun. And having a good life. Yes. And you know it's good, It's fine. And they paid me peanuts. Okay. But the show went to number one. Right. And now they said, ' Please we beg you, let's do more. This is very very good. So this was a little bit of a surprise. It opened strong, it opened at number 10, it went to eight and five and four. Became very popular. Became two and one. And last show, you know, the live show was 41.5 million people watched, the Super Bowl beat it. Okay, that was it. It was this monster show. So you know, people dropped to their knees and they say, 'Please let's do more.' So -- So you say, 'I want more money.' Here's what happened. I said I'll do more. I read an article where the friends people get 2 million dollars an episode. Right, Robin?. So, I said to Jeff Zucker and everybody at NBC, I'll do it but I want friends type money. Right. I think that's reasonable Right. And they said, well maybe we can work something like that out. And he said, they said they get two million dollars an episode, I said no no no. There's six of them. Right. That get two million dollars an episode, There's one of you And there's one of me You want 12 million an episode. Well, and then I said, there's six of them so that's 12, right. I'm thinking about, I'm taking like Howard thinks coz I hear he is one of the great contracts in history. Oh yeah, I'm rolling Then I said, They said well, that's ridiculous, how dare you suggest that. Then I said, well, wait a minute, let's go a little further there. My ratings are higher than friends now, by a lot, and the other thing is it's an hour program. In transition it was a half hour. That's right. And you know who told me that one? I have a golf pro who's mentally ret -- I mean he's like, really not a smart guy. Right. And I'm playing golf and I'm thinking about, what I'm going to tell NBC and this golf pro comes up to me and he tells me, yeah but your show's an hour and F. R.I. E.N. D.S is a half hour. He's obviously F. R.I. E.N. D.S watcher. And there are six people they say. So they pay six people two million dollars a piece, for a half hour show. I'm one person and I have an hour show and I have higher ratings than they do. And you don't even have to have writers. So I said, I'm saying, I bet the production cost here is [Inaudible] Well, what I told them, I said so I should be paid $24 million an episode. I didn't get it. You didn't get 24 million? I didn't get it. I didn't even get close. It's a good starting point. Mark Cuban is this guy from the other show. I don't even know the name there. What is the name there? Benefactor. Benefactor, okay. So he, did you see page six today, he came out he blasted you. He you says you need the money. Okay. Let me, let me about Mark Cuban. I think he needs the money because, this guy just so you understand, and according to Forbes which does the wealth. I'm a much richer guy than Mark Cuban, He claims that you lie about your wealth. He says you claim that you're worth 1.3 billion and you're not even worth that. No, no, I claim I'm worth six billion and Forbes I'm worth 2.5 billion. But let me tell you about Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban is trying to get publicity because his show is failing so badly Right. And it's a disaster. So, he's using you. He's using you Everybody uses his me. Women use me, you use me, Mark Cuban used me. Oh, stop. I use you. No, I think I'll take that back. Stop. No, no, I'm a ratings machine Howard's gonna get gr -- great credits. That's right. But now, Mark Cuban, maybe he needs the money, I don't know why he's doing it. Because there's no way that this show can be successful. Now, wait a minute. But why disparage you? It opened -- Because he gets publicity when he disparages me, everybody does. But is true that you need -- He claims, this is what he claims. That, Donald Trump -- Well, let me tell you, wait before you -- Howard -- Howard. Excuse me. Before you say it, he said that Donald Trump's not as good a businessman as you think. Okay. And he mentioned four deals. Right. One is Trump Ice. It's the hottest water there is, its Trump Ice it's water, it's not a big deal I drink Trump water. Listen, it's great. It's a very successful thing. It's just, well, she said it's a failure. I said, 'Has it?' The other is, Trump online university. Last week I filed to do possibly an online university. So you haven't done it yet. No, he said it's a failure and I said, you just apply. The other thing he said was a failure was Trump World magazine. Which is just about to launch. Excuse me, we launch tonight. We haven't even gotten out yet. And it's it's going to be -- And by the way it's going to be a success. So, he mentions this stuff, he doesn't mention my real estate in New York which is through the roof. Which is the big stuff by the way, I'm the biggest -- I'm the biggest developer. He claimed that you don't own those buildings, he says that you're like a real estate broker. They just stick your name on it. This is what he said me. I was shocked. Howard, I own the buildings. Not, first of all, let me explain something -- Do you own all of the buildings that have your name on it? No. I own large percentages of the building. Let me tell you, not because I have partners put up money. I mean I like people to put up money, why should I put it up? But that's fine I just wanted to make that clear. But, you know. He said you were the janitor of those buildings. That you were really not the owner. You really clean the buildings. You just clean the buildings, you get a percentage. Let me tell you, Mark is the janitor of ABC. Because if you look at what he's doing with the ratings, and actually Page Six which I think is a great page is wrong one thing. They showed the ratings for the first week, they didn't show that they were way down for the second week. His first week ratings were abysmal the second week really went down. So anyway, It's a disaster. Let me ask one thing though, about your business. The Benefactor a disaster Let me ask one thing about your business. What is going on with the casinos? The casinos have been very good to me over the years. I mean, I've made a lot of money in the casino business. I've given you a lot of money because you know Yeah, me too. Over the years Howard, over the years I've made lot of money in the casino business. It's been a great investment for me as an entrepreneur. Now what I'm doing is reducing the debt of the casinos, because now you can't buy land in Manhattan. First of all I have much of it. Right. But you can't buy land in Manhattan because it's too expensive. So now what I'm doing is focused on reducing the debt of the casinos, and again, when the casino company was private, I put a lot of financing on. And I took them. Bottom-line you are worth 2.3 minimally 2.3 billion maybe [Inaudible] Well, Forbes said 25, but I've always disputed Forbes. But no I just say Fo -- I don't want to talk about wealth but Forbes says 2.5 then Mark Cuban said-- So you're every bit as rich a Marck Cuban. Well, he's rated much lower than me. Thank you. All right that's all I needed to know. But my question is, how could you say, you know, I think when the bankruptcy, you know, because we've pointed this out the last time you were here. We realized that whatever you do you say, 'It's the most fantastic. It's the greatest thing.' That's not true. You started, you start every sentence, with that was fantastic, this was the greatest. When do I say that? I don't say that. I have the greatest Tv show, I have the greatest television -- Excuse me, you know what, I'd say it when it's true. Hey Robin the hottest show in television I have the number one show on television. So why shouldn't say that? But wait a minute, I couldn't believe it She's a very negative person. Oh, stop it. I couldn't believe it though when, you know, I heard that, you know, they were going Chapter 11 that they were wait a minute. No no, but that's, Robin that's just what we just said, that' called intelligence system Take it easy cause, he says, all right you know, [Inaudible] said wow Trump, you know, has about bankruptcy on his casinos in Atlantic City and Trump said yes this is the greatest thing. It's true, actually it's true. Let me. It's true. It's very much like this, I know what I'm going to say. I only say good, if it's good. But just so you said, the casinos are a very small part, less than one percent of my net worth. But they are important to me because I've been there for a while. I've made a lot of money with the casinos over a 15 year period over a 16 year period. I made a lot of money. But now what I'm doing is making the casinos great. I would be willing to bet. It's less than 1 percent of my net worth, I would be willing to bet in years to come it's going to be a big portion of my net worth. And let's see, because I'll be doing this show for many years until [Inaudible] Right, Vinnie, go ahead. You're on the air with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is on The Apprentice tonight at 9 o'clock on NBC. And don't call me negative, Donald You are negative Howard. Yes. I can't believe you're buying this. What he's saying.[Inaudible] Last week a repeat of CSI beat The Apprentice What? Say that again? The repeat of CSI Las Vegas last week beat The Apprentice. Donald, go ahead and respond to that. I'll totally respond. Respond to this guy writing a book. He sounds like you, That's Vinnie. Let me explain By the way Vinnie is the vice president at CBS. [Inaudible] I can see that, let me just tell you -- Shh, keep quiet Vinnie, listen. The only rating, the only rating that cou -- Who is this guy. The only rating that counts, as you know, is the demographic rating, the 18 to 49 is the rating [Inaudible]. So you're not looking at the [Inaudible] No, no. The rating that matters to everybody and the ratings that is is considered important is the 18 to 49. And The Apprentice was the highest rated show in the top demographic. It was the highest rated show in 18 to 49, you dispute that? He is not the number one, I don't have the charts, on me. The guy is not the number one[ overlapping] If you had Donald Trump's ratings. You would be crowing. You'd be crowing. You wouldn't be in a bus. Howard, Howard, we don't need these ratings -- We -- Do you know that last night CSI New York beat Law and Order for the first time ever, on Wednesday night? I don't. Why would I know that? And after I go through a tunnel, I'll tel you CSI New York What is it Garry? I can actually, the premiere of CSI Go ahead, just talk over him He can't hear us The second half hour of the CSI show Beat the first half hour of Mr. Trump's show by a very small percentage point.[Inaudible] Mr. Trump. And then actually Donald's show built, by the time it got to the second half hour, it won the 10 o'clock hour. Thank you. Thank you. Be honest. You've got to be honest and just Does he work for CBS.? Howard Stern/Robin Quivers But more importantly Garry, The Apprentice in terms of the real rating which isas, you know the demographic rating, which is what the advertisers go by. Yes Was the biggest show since last May, which is the whole deal, so. Right It is a monster. It's definitely a monster. Thank you by the way, Thank you Garri, I appreciate that And that was me not being negative Don Are your children You're right. Thank you Robin., I appreciate. Are your children afraid that you and Melania will get married and have more children? I think they're petrified. No, I'm only kidding. I believe they are They love Melania But who wants to split inheritance? Well, you know basically they'd never tell me that. But if I were one of them, I wouldn't love it. What are you doing with your children? Why do I want it. I want my share. I want my one fourth, right? Right Yeah. But what are you doing. I mean are they going to get equal shares? My children are really well-adjusted children. They're working hard. Don is in the business with me just graduated from the Wharton school of business Nice kid. I met him. My daughter is beautiful, Ivanka. She By the way, your daughter. She's beautiful. Can I say this? A piece of ass. Yeah Boy, I would back up the bridge truck, introduce me to her. Who's going to win that prize? You are the last person I would introduce her too. I wouldn't foul her that bad But What are you doing, what are you doing? What is the, the [Inaudible] But Ivanka, is a great beauty. She was a very successful model and at 18 she stopped cold turkey went to the Wharton School of Finance got all A's. And she's been a great student and she's not going to be starting in the business. And Who's she seeing, is she seeing a guy? She's got a boyfriend. Boy, you must hate him. Well, you know it's your daughter, you know, the story on daughters right? Nobody's good enough for your daughter. So we'll see how, I mean we'll see how it all works. What's the guy do? White guy? He's a uh Is he a white guy? He's an aristocrat Is he a white guy? From Bedminster New Jersey. He comes from Bedminster New Jersey. So he's a, he's one of the blue bloods. He's a blue blood. Yeah. Bedminster there are is no black. Yeah, there's no blacks there I just built a big golf course in Bedminster New Jersey fellows. So does this guy have his own money? I have to get that plug in, as long as you've mentioned Bedminster, forget about him. Mr. Trump, does this guy have his own money. He's got a lot of, a lot of money from many many years ago. His family has money. So you don't like it, you like a self-made kind of guy. Well, I like, I like that s -- You know I wanted to introduce her before this because this guy, coz this guy is a very nice guy, but I want to introduce her to a football player. He's a great guy, he's a great football player and she looked at me she said, 'dad, he's a football player,' I said, 'Are you crazy?' No no no I don't think so. That wasn't okay. I love Lt? He's a friend of mine but I want someone But your daughter is a blue blood now, this is where she travel My daughter's becoming a blue blood, she's becoming very white shoe. That's true. You introduce her to me. I think my daughter looks down on me. She said, 'oh my god-- I'll take, I'll take good care of her. You hook her up with me That would make me sick. That would be the big story, that would be the big story Could you imagine if I was your son in law? How much fun we have? I don't even what to think about it. Every one in this room is self made. We would have fun, In will say Once I got over the shock. [Inaudible] You know once I got over the horror of it all. [Inaudible] What would be horrible for you see me walking down the aisle with your daughter. I, I'd be impressed. If you could do that I probably would be very impressed with you. That would be a good move. But I'm still trying to find out what the will says. Yeah. How much do the kids get? Well, the kids get, They get Trump Ice, And charity gets a lot. Yeah I'm going to give them Trump online University. You're going to give a lot to [Inaudible] Which hasn't started yet. A to be formed to cooperation You going to have a lot to charity, which is good. I'm going to give a lot to charity and I'm going to give a lot to the kids. The kids will be set up The kids will be set for life. No wonder the Bush tax plan, Howard Yes. In ten years, you pay no estate tax. In 11 years, you pay 60 percent. But you know. You know can take out, you know you can take out insurance [Inaudible] in the uh, your estate. I don't know if you've ever thought of this, this plan. 20 percent every two years. At the end of 10 years at the during the eighth or ninth and tenth year you pay nothing. You know that, right. Zero. If you die one day later, the government gets all of your money. So they're going to be a lot of billionaires that are killed by their children. But wait a second, prior to that night. No, prior to 12 O'clock With the Bush plan, you got to think of this. Iin 12 years, no country left. Well, that's a gigger problem. That's a problem, that's a bigger problem. What is it about [Inaudible] You know what we we're talking about last week, we're talking about how on the show there's a lot of uh product placement this season. We're talking, like the first one to tell toys, at the right I think it's crest . And Howard and I we're trying to figure out, what kind of money do you get out of those guys Tremendous money. You know it's very interesting. The first Apprentice, again, nobody knew what who it was, anything about it, so we didn't have that. We sold lemonade, we did a restaurant ; This time we have Pepsi-Cola, we have Mattel, we have toys are us, we have, we have Levis, we have crest toothpaste. Tonight, Procter and Gamble is launching a new toothpaste called crest element on our show. They paid a tremendous amount of money. You know the only guy and I'll say this, the only guy that wanted to be on Apprentice one, was a man named George Steinbrenner. I called him up just before the Boston series. Right Okay. The end of [Inaudible] The day before, I said George, I'm doing this show. He said, 'What show?' I said, 'The Apprentice' He said, 'All right.' I said lecture the kids on winning as a reward. He said, ' Good, bring them all.' I couldn't believe it. Nobody could. NBC couldn't believe it Now everybody wants to be on. Now, I have the, richest, biggest, most important people wanting to be on the Apprentice. I [Inaudible]on the air. Yes I should probably be on there. Mr Trump, Good morning, how are you? Good morning, good morning good morning high pitch. Mr. Trump, You're the man, I love you, I wanna know if I could [Inaudible] Oh, Come on. Now you're being silly. By the way, did Mr. Trump meet our intern and was he Impressed? Your intern is very pretty. She wants you She she was dying to meet you. Dominic, Barbara you're on the air. Hello Dominic. Hello Domininc. Well, he's gone Dominic. Dominic he loves you. I love Dominic Yeah, He loves you, he loves you. How did he deal with the weight, he got the little operation. How did he do. He said or he looks like he looks like a like a helium balloon that they let out all the air. He's he's It's odd to see him walking around thin. He looks hungry. Well has it been successful Yes he has lost the weight. He is thinner. He still looks like a fat guy. Let me tell you about Do -- I've known Dominic a long time. Number one, he's a good attorney, a really good attorney and he's also a good guy. Now he'll probably get on and kill me But he looks like a deflated beach ball. That's too bad. You have to see it. Looks like all of his [Inaudible] Come on, Let's find Dominic, let's get Mr. Trump, it's always an honor to have you on. I'm fascinated with your success. You're everything Trump, in fact, I even saw in the paper today you're launching a series of Donald Trump talking dolls. Oh I didn't see that. He's even doing things he doesn't know. Yes. And uh -- I have a lot of good people that work for me It even says 17 phrases, which includes you're fired. One of my problems with the show is that now these people won't disappear. One of my problems with reality shows is that the people never disappear once they go through a season. Especially The Apprentice people. I mean you look at Omarosa, you look at some of these people, that were all over the place What an annoying woman, They've become stars. They do. You know we had over a million people apply for the second apprentice. We had 215 for the first which is a record, now we had over a million and we have unbelievable people on the show. But you know what happens, I think now they're applying not to work for me. They want to be stars. Right. Well, that's true. And I'm afraid at the end, they'll say, we don't want the job, I want to make movies. You'll see Donald Trump on the Apprentice tonight at 9 o'clock on NBC. A very controversial show. You fired a guy last week after the guy said, ' I give up my immunity because I know I did a good job, ' And you said that's stupid You said, 'you're an idiot. Well, he made a mistake. I mean he walked in we had given him a total immunity. He said, ' I give up, ' as a you know show of bravado. 'I give up my immunity I give it up Mr. Trump My team is wonderful.' I said to myself he's gone Good call . All right. Donald Trump, thank you for coming in. Always great seeing you. And I assume I'll be invited to your wedding The next wedding. The next wedding. I mean we have to [Inaudible] them. You have to -- You're going to go through that again. No, I'm just going to have a [Inaudible]. He's a good love charm, I would go Yeah, yeah. He's a a great lecture I'll assume Melania is gonna be thrilled. [Inaudible] You know after hearing this story Howard Stern, believe me, I lit up the last wedding He's not allowed to talk to the press. I lit up the last wedding. Oh yeah. You made all the news cast. Yeah I think Melania likes me. You know the O.J. Thing happened one week after the wedding you know that right Was it one week? It was very very short period after the wedding that he was driving. I remember that, yeah. Was one of the great scenes in television history was that white van driving down the freeway with about seven hundred police cars in front of him and he didn't look like he had a good chance. That was the alternate reality show. Who was the biggest reality star though, O.J. Or Donald Trump? O. J still holds the right there. You know, I'd give it O.J. All day long. [Inaudible] you're on the air, quickly because Mr. Trump is very busy making money. Go ahead. All right. I happen to know the football player that Donald Trump tried to set her daughter up for. Who was it? It would be Tom Brady of the New England Patriots You want him doing your daughter? He's a great guy. First of all, I don't admit to that John C. But you know he is a great guy. He's a member of my golf club. He's a terrific terrific You would have approved of him as a son in law? He wanted him as a son in law. I mean you look at this guy, first of all he always throws the pass accurately. He always wins the Super Bowl. He always wins the game. White. He's the most, I didn't hear that. Would you let your daughter date a black guy? Like what does she put home Dennis Rodman Rodman He's a blue blood. What's your next question? Ivanka Rodman My daughter is a very open minded I would say that. Beautiful daughter. I did I think Tom Brady is a fantastic guy. And you know, one of those Dominic What did you want Maybe he'll marry Tiffany Hello Dominic, Quickly because I have to end the interview. Yes. Quick. Two things; Number one, the best way to protect your prenup is do it on video. That's true. It's a guarantee Do you do [Inaudible] I do it all the time. No, I was asking Donald. Donald, do you do that? Would you video tape your prenup? I think it's a good idea. A lot of, I do video in other ways but I don't do video necessarily for prenup. I would put mine out on DVD, CD. What do you mean you do video another way? You know a lot, of you do a lot of video contracts nowadays, but I don't think in terms of that so much with Melania because like everybody else I say it'll never happen. Nothing bad is going to happen and I really believe that. But I think it's not a bad idea. Dominic, you're right. I would put it on pay per view. So that everyone can see. That's right, I'm afraid the problem with me doing the video I'm afraid somebody is going to get it and they're going to broadcast it on ABC so that ABC can finally get some ratings. That's right. And Finally the way you talk a woman into a prenup is that, the year before when you sign a contract with the bank or any of your bank business dealings, you put into that contract, that they you require a prenup then when you sit with them [Inaudible] you say, But wait a minute I had no choice, don't you see, y business partners wanted. Do you do that Mr Trump? Well, Dominic, let me ask you about this, What about giving them the pre-nup about 15 minutes before the wedding ceremony. Absolutely not, I'd do a video, I've been [Inaudible] for 35 years. And Howard I do not look like a deflated beach ball.[laugher] It's a one man's opinion that's all. All right, Listen that's Dominic Barbara but Donald Trump, continued success. Thank you very much. And we'd love having you on here. And I don't know who's more successful you, Mark Cuban. But I know you're sexier than Mark Cuban, That's what counts. That's right. Absolutely. That one is easy. It's going to get [Inaudible] People are going to try and imitate your success. You got to be prepared for it. You've got to be prepared. They are doing it. Donald Trump, The Apprentice tonight at 9 o'clock on NBC. We'll be back right after these words.